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MagnAvaloN
09-29-2014, 11:29 AM
I was thinking of a little quiz to have fun while also getting familiar with the game, particularly the ship stats and the mechanics involved. So, I think I might try to make a thread for it. Sorry if this feels kinda stupid. :<

Example:

1. How many Yuubari do you need to feed a Nagato Kai to get her to maxed status in FP, AA, and Armor, providing that you only feed her Yuubari and the success rate is assumed to be 100%?

Answer: 66 Yuubari, since Nagato's stat that needs the highest amount of modernization, AA, requires 66 more points to reach the cap.

2. If you directly scrap 10 Naka-chan and 10 Nagatsuki, how many resources would you get?

Answer:

Fuel: 10*(2+1) = 30; Ammo: 10*(4+2) = 60; Steel: 10*(11+5) = 160

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I'll try making the first question.

"While doing the daily scrapping quest, you accidentally scrapped your Kitakami Kai Ni along with her two 15.5 secondary triple gun mounts and one midget sub. How many resource does this catastrophe give you?"

selenphr
09-29-2014, 12:09 PM
I was thinking of a little quiz to have fun while also getting familiar with the game, particularly the ship stats and the mechanics involved. So, I think I might try to make a thread for it. Sorry if this feels kinda stupid. :<

Example:

1. How many Yuubari do you need to feed a Nagato Kai to get her to maxed status in FP, AA, and Armor, providing that you only feed her Yuubari and the success rate is assumed to be 100%?

Answer: 66 Yuubari, since Nagato's stat that needs the highest amount of modernization, AA, requires 66 more points to reach the cap.

2. If you directly scrap 10 Naka-chan and 10 Nagatsuki, how many resources would you get?

Answer:

Fuel: 10*(2+1) = 30; Ammo: 10*(4+2) = 60; Steel: 10*(11+5) = 160

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I'll try making the first question.

"While doing the daily scrapping quest, you accidentally scrapped your Kitakami Kai Ni along with her two 15.5 secondary triple gun mounts and one midget sub. How many resource does this catastrophe give you?"

Okay. I'll try to answer this one but i'm not too keen on the 15.5 secondaries:

Lets solve this like in grade school

Given:

KTKM K2= 2 fuel 6 bullets 9 steel
Type A= 7 steel and 7 bullets
15.5= 2 bullets and 5 steel/ each

Solution:
Bullets= 6+7+4= 17
Steel= 10+9+7= 26
Fuel= 2

Answer:
17 Bullets 26 steel and 2 fuel and Grief. A lot of grief.

Er, do I have to post another question...? if so:

How many Expedition NO 3 do you need to do in order to cover the default recipe of LSC and how long would it take?

And oh where can you find the scap values of the Ship girls KTKM's page on the wiki was didn't have the info. I had to check my-ingame one

Argho
09-29-2014, 12:28 PM
selenphr I don't know the scrap value of Kitakami Kai Ni but you shouldn't count equipment. It's lost when you scrap a ship with it. Answer is just the scrap value of the ship.

MagnAvaloN
09-29-2014, 12:32 PM
selenphr Bingo!

http://puu.sh/bSxdU/bd31408554.jpg


As for the answer to your question, 17 times doing expedition 3 which will take 340 minutes, or 5 hours and 40 minutes.

selenphr
09-29-2014, 12:36 PM
@selenphr (http://www.himeuta.net/members/selenphr/) I don't know the scrap value of Kitakami Kai Ni but you shouldn't count equipment. It's lost when you scrap a ship with it. Answer is just the scrap value of the ship.

Ehh. The value was from my no equipKTKM .

AFAIR equipment is included in the scrapping as I usually remove the equips before I modernize and Scrap.

For example Ushio is 1 fuel 2 bullets and 7 steel
if I remove her 12.7 it become 1 fuel 1 bullet and 5 steel

MagnAvaloN
09-29-2014, 12:37 PM
@selenphr (http://www.himeuta.net/members/selenphr/) I don't know the scrap value of Kitakami Kai Ni but you shouldn't count equipment. It's lost when you scrap a ship with it. Answer is just the scrap value of the ship.


Equipment values are included when scrapping.

Argho
09-29-2014, 12:38 PM
selenphr Interesting, I need to check it out.

ofi123
09-29-2014, 12:47 PM
Don't underestimate Naka-chan.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nb56P2OI2KA/VA3D_xDk_XI/AAAAAAAAA2M/PNDdeDpzr_k/s379/Expensive%2520Naka.png

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My question: How many Imuya do you need to scrap to do an all min LSC? (Not counting devmats)

MagnAvaloN
09-29-2014, 12:47 PM
selenphr Btw, did my answer above answer the question?

selenphr
09-29-2014, 12:50 PM
@selenphr (http://www.himeuta.net/members/selenphr/) Btw, did my answer above answer the question?

'Prods Atago'

"Pam-paka-pan~~~~"

Yup

Edit:

Does anyone know where we can find the scrap values of Ship-girls? With my luck being so damn high in all the wrong places I dont have an Imuya to check values with.

kyurin
09-29-2014, 01:44 PM
17 times doing expedition 3 which will take 340 minutes, or 5 hours and 40 minutes.


'Prods Atago'

"Pam-paka-pan~~~~"

Yup


Maybe I misunderstand the question or I'm being really stupid but...How does that work out?
Expedition 3 gives 30/30/40/0, 17x that is 510/510/680/0. 340 minutes give 339/339/339/113 with natural regen, adding up gives 849/849/1019/113 which is nowhere close to the 1500/1500/2000/1000 required for one default LSC...
Taking resupply into account, you could be inefficient and use battleships, which causes resupply costs to exceed the fuel/ammo gain, in which case the answer would be 0 due to negative fuel/ammo gains, exactly how often would depend on how ineffective you'd make that fleet.

okazaki
09-29-2014, 01:46 PM
@selenphr (http://www.himeuta.net/members/selenphr/) here ???t (http://www51.atpages.jp/kancollev/kctable.php?mode=k)
in 廃棄 column



My question: How many Imuya do you need to scrap to do an all min LSC? (Not counting devmats)

1500

ofi123
09-29-2014, 01:52 PM
okazaki

Correct.

Zylphe
09-29-2014, 01:53 PM
okazaki I find it very interesting that there appears to be a possible 5th slot, assuming this was datamined

selenphr
09-29-2014, 02:07 PM
Maybe I misunderstand the question or I'm being really stupid but...How does that work out?
Expedition 3 gives 30/30/40/0, 17x that is 510/510/680/0. 340 minutes give 339/339/339/113 with natural regen, adding up gives 849/849/1019/113 which is nowhere close to the 1500/1500/2000/1000 required for one default LSC...
Taking resupply into account, you could be inefficient and use battleships, which causes resupply costs to exceed the fuel/ammo gain, in which case the answer would be 0 due to negative fuel/ammo gains, exactly how often would depend on how ineffective you'd make that fleet.
Hmm... Hmm...Aiyah. I forgot to double check on the wiki and my currently sleepless self is clearly not up for higher arithmetic.

You speak sense, oh enlightened one.

Well actually if we ignore baux and ratio and proportion this it would take you around 50 runs and around 1000 mins of expeditions. I think

Ookay now let me fix the question and make it more simple.

How many expedition NO 5 would you need to do (ignoring Akagi's eating habits and resupplies and natural regrowth) to complete the highest possible Bauxite requirement for an LSC attempt for Taihou? And how many minutes would that take?

MagnAvaloN
09-29-2014, 02:09 PM
Maybe I misunderstand the question or I'm being really stupid but...How does that work out?
Expedition 3 gives 30/30/40/0, 17x that is 510/510/680/0. 340 minutes give 339/339/339/113 with natural regen, adding up gives 849/849/1019/113 which is nowhere close to the 1500/1500/2000/1000 required for one default LSC...
Taking resupply into account, you could be inefficient and use battleships, which causes resupply costs to exceed the fuel/ammo gain, in which case the answer would be 0 due to negative fuel/ammo gains, exactly how often would depend on how ineffective you'd make that fleet.

Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot to multiply the rate per hour with the amount of actual expedition needed. Since expedition 3 needs 20 minutes, which means 3 expedition per hour, the corerct one should be 3* 17 = 51.

51*30 = 1530
51*30 = 1530
51*40 = 2040

That is if the bauxite stock is assumed to already fulfill the minimum LSC requirement. If the bauxite is thought to be zero, the time needed would solely be the regen time for bauxite to reach 2000, which is 2000:20*1 hour = 100 hours.

okazaki
09-29-2014, 02:22 PM
selenphr assume that highest possible bauxite requirement for taihou recipe is 7000
expedition 5 sparkling 6 ship + 4 daihatsu landing craft -> 54 bauxite/ run
-> need 130 runs
sparkling 1-1: 3min -> +13 morale -> deplete in 4 run
-> need 594 minutes for sparkling and 11700 minutes for expedition, plus 30 second for select ship and send fleet to expedition(65 minutes)
-> 12359 minutes

selenphr
09-29-2014, 02:28 PM
@selenphr (http://www.himeuta.net/members/selenphr/) assume that highest possible bauxite requirement for taihou recipe is 7000
expedition 5 sparkling 6 ship + 4 daihatsu landing craft -> 54 bauxite/ run
-> need 130 runs
sparkling 1-1: 3min -> +13 morale -> deplete in 4 run
-> need 594 minutes for sparkling and 11700 minutes for expedition, plus 30 second for select ship and send fleet to expedition(65 minutes)
-> 12359 minutes

Whoa there.

Why so complex?

I was just looking for something simple like (7000/20)* 90= 31500 ish.

Clearly my LVL's are still too low for this. So I shall excuse my myself and genuflect, whatever genuflect means.

Zylphe
09-30-2014, 04:42 AM
Let's step this up a notch. It's gonna have many parts and it's gonna test a lot of formulas from the wiki.


Let's say I pick up a lv1 Kaga.

I immediately modernize her with 5 Kongous at once, successfully.

Then I give her Ryuusei on the first slot, Ryuusei Kai on second, Ju87C Kai on third, and Suisei 12A on fourth.

And I send her to 3-2-A alone, with T-Cross Advantage.

She misses during aerial combat, but manages to deal 189 damage to Ho-Class Flagship during shelling.

What random armor modifier (between 2/3 to 4/3) did the Ho-Class Flagship have? (Rounding is probably gonna be annoying to deal with so some working appreciated)