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dranzerstar
11-02-2015, 01:53 AM
The fix have been applied to all users,
If you have completed the houshou zero21 to zero21 skilled at least once, it will stay completed and
carry over the monthly quest reset.

So if you did it last month, you dont have to do it again to unlock the chain.




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In short, you will be getting more skilled pilot regularly and
You will be compensated for the strange quest chain unlocking and locking on planes added last patch
The following might be the reasons
1. Missing the plane changing monthly last month
2. Doing the plane changing monthly last month causing a lock in progressing up the chain by not having more skilled pilots
3. Other strange things

We will see what will they do this week.

https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/661342059811368961
https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/661350987215466496
A fix have been applied to all users in regards of unlocking the quest after the monthly Houshou plane changing quest. All follow up quests
will be unlocked if you have done the quest at least one.

https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/660921019398406144
We have caused troubles for Admirals Clearing or missing the New quest [Elite[Fighter] forming] with Houshou on the last month and we are sorry about it. We will be distributing a compensation early this week, please be patient, thank you.

https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/660920042582765569
After completing the same quest last month to obtain skilled planes. People that doesnt have their zero 21/52 prepared last month will also be able to do the plane changing quest this month.
But, since fall event is coming and everyone is enhancing their forces, we will be distributing skilled pilots this month.

https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/660919617104162816
About new quests related to Houshou
New quest [Elite[Fighter] forming] with Houshou requires [Skilled pilots] and it is possible to obtain them via monthly quests
* ways to obtain [Skilled pilots] will be added later

HydraGoliath
11-02-2015, 02:00 AM
Question is, how much later?

Marez
11-02-2015, 02:06 AM
Who thought such a convoluted quest chain was a good idea anyway. I mean, 6 new planes and 9 confusing conversion quests, just to get 3 planes? I'd have been fine with just those 3 planes, each locked behind a sortie quest.

NanashiYoukai
11-02-2015, 02:10 AM
It seems as though I'm not alone in being annoyed about the idiocy of introducing new monthly quests on the bloody last day of the month. Though I wasn't expecting something like compensation, but whatever.


The dev explanation confuses me though. One time quests ought to be unlocked for all time once the prerequisite quest has been completed. So completing the monthly quest early shouldn't be locking people out of things? If anything, those who completed the quest immediately would be "rewarded" by having already done the Type 21 quest, assuming they wanted to more Type 21 skilleds for whatever reason, and that simply means those who didn't complete it on the last day of the month have to wait another month to use up all their Skilled Pilots (again assuming someone didn't want to farm+train a spare dragon and wanted to do the quest instead)

Checking the English wiki, it says that there are two different quests to get a Type 52 skilled, one of which is a monthly, does not require a Skilled Pilot, and does not unlock any new quests. So (assuming I'm extrapolating this correctly since I didn't actually do the quests) those who actually completed the quest immediately would just have the advantage of a spare Type 52 skilled which is basically a better Reppuu without losing any limited items like Skilled Pilots.

That doesn't sound like a problem to me even though I didn't get any benefit. It's just a case of rewarding the early bird.


(EDIT : It may be possible that if player only had 1 Skilled Pilot and could only create one Type 21 skilled, had they known that one of the quests was a monthly they'd have chosen one of the quests to complete over the other... but farming a new dragon is just so much easier tbh.)

dranzerstar
11-02-2015, 02:29 AM
NanashiYoukai

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSumopFU8AAO8Dz.png
The big red box in the middle

you will get quest locked from the fighter chain if you spend your pilot and not doing osawa quest last month

NanashiYoukai
11-02-2015, 02:40 AM
@dranzerstar (http://www.himeuta.net/members/18-dranzerstar/) Ah, I see, noted. As of this moment the English wiki doesn't yet say outright that completing Ozawa quest is necessary for the Iwamoto quest chain.

It means that whoever spent the Type 21 skilled on another quest, does not have spare Type 21 skilleds, and didn't know that a new quest was unlocked after Ozawa quest completes, would have to go train another Type 21 to max to complete this month's Houshou quest. Which (as we're probably all aware) was a requirement that devs introduced specifically to annoy us by making us a train an almost-starter level aircraft that's otherwise completely useless.



Also interesting how they refer to Houshou as Houshou-san in those tweets, even though it was her quest that the devs messed up. Perhaps she's cracking her whip over them even as we speak.

Leyana
11-02-2015, 02:49 AM
NanashiYoukai I thought the EN wiki made it quite clear. http://en.kancollewiki.net/wiki/Quests#F28

EchIII
11-02-2015, 03:10 AM
Leyana

Clear and "Easily Understandable" are two very different things. The quest chains are quite a huge jumble and all over the shop, it's definitely the most confusing series of quests ever released.

Ferdinand
11-02-2015, 05:31 AM
Wait, so who is screwed? Those who did or those who didn't do the Houshou quest last month?

Tedster59
11-02-2015, 05:39 AM
Marez 3 planes that you get to keep? there's the type 62 iwai, the type 53 iwamoto, what is the 3rd that I'm missing that you get to keep?

Perzeval
11-02-2015, 05:51 AM
Tedster59
The Type 52 (skilled)

Tedster59
11-02-2015, 05:59 AM
oh right, forgot you get two of those, but only convert one.

Sheba
11-02-2015, 09:43 AM
Wait, so who is screwed? Those who did or those who didn't do the Houshou quest last month?

Those who scrapped their planes way before those quests like me. :maya_angry:

Opeth007
11-02-2015, 11:23 AM
@Leyana (http://www.himeuta.net/members/29-leyana/)

Clear and "Easily Understandable" are two very different things. The quest chains are quite a huge jumble and all over the shop, it's definitely the most confusing series of quests ever released.
I agree. But you known, this is not "the most confusing series of quests ever released", i think they gonna make the game more and more confuse. Japanese taste is strange after all, or they're just M inside.
With this logic, im scare the next event gonna be a huge stress with chain quests just for kill the boss.

Shishouro
11-02-2015, 03:25 PM
Interesting. I definitely completed F23 last month, but I never had time to get the Model 21 (Skilled) a high enough rank to do anything else with it.

So I still have F22, F24 & F28.


The Wiki seems to have some pre-requisites incorrect. I never did F22 (Who needs a 3rd Flight Deck?) and I never did F25 obviously, so..... yeah, strange quest chain pathing.

soloblast
11-02-2015, 05:24 PM
I haven't even got anywhere near this quest chain yet, but just looking at the information on the Wikia page (http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Skilled_Crew_Member#Skilled_Crew_Member) (which, as always, may or may not be entirely correct) makes me question the implementation of these quests:

1. Type 0 Model 52 (Skilled) + Type 0 Model 52C (601 Air Group) = Type 0 Model 52C (w/ Iwai Flight) - You're basically giving up 2 sets of planes with very reasonable stats for 1 plane with slightly better stats (and neither of those 2 planes are re-obtainable via conventional methods, unlike, say, the 2 x Reppuu for the 601 Air Group quest; Reppuu might be difficult to craft, but they're craftable nonetheless). Granted, the Model 52C (601 Air Group) here is given to you as a quest reward somewhere in the middle of the quest chain, but it still feels like a waste.

2. Type 0 Model 52C (w/ Iwai Flight) + 2 x Type 0 Model 62 = Type 0 Model 62 (w/ Iwai Flight) - Well, I suppose I can't argue with this if it's a matter of historical accuracy. Nevertheless, you're giving up a Reppuu-tier Fighter for an above-average Fighter-Bomber. Plus, y'know, Fighter-Bombers. They aren't very useful, other than for maybe 3-2A level grinding. It doesn't really make much sense.

3. Type 0 Model 52A (w/ Iwamoto Flight) + 2 x Saiun = Type 0 Model 53 (w/ Iwamoto Flight) - Slightly more forgivable, given that Saiun are actually craftable, but still, they're relatively rare. Given my above point about Reppuu (also relatively rare where crafting is involved), I guess I can accept this, though. And at least the fighter obtained at the end of it all comes with very good stats overall.

TL;DR - What were they thinking? I'm not going to complain about having more equipment to play around with, but the amount of stuff sacrificed in order to get other stuff (that isn't always necessarily better than the stuff sacrificed) doesn't add up.

Edit: Whoops, Type 0 Model 53* (w/ Iwamoto Flight). Thanks Leyana.

Leyana
11-02-2015, 10:29 PM
soloblast They were thinking that you want special planes.

Also the 52A becomes a 53 which is equal to a Reppu Kai at least we only lose one good fighter for that quest instead of losing two Reppu to get +1 fp for the Reppu 601 quest.

soloblast
11-02-2015, 11:55 PM
Leyana Whoops, Model 53, not Model 52C. Updated.

Anyway, fair enough, I didn't notice that the 601 Air Group Reppuu quest functionally involved giving up three good planes (since the original Model 52C is about as good as a Shiden Kai 2) in exchange for just one with slightly higher stats. But... you don't really lose anything when you convert the 52A to the 53; it just becomes a better plane, in exchange for sacrificing two Saiuns. That was my point: At least the Iwamoto quest chain gives you a very good fighter in the end (like I said above), and any losses incurred can more or less be recouped in due time (Saiuns), or aren't really that big a deal (Model 21s and Model 52s for the first two parts of the quest chain).

The Iwai quest chain, on the other hand, makes you give up a 52C (601 Air Group) in order to acquire a 52C (w/ Iwai Flight), after combining it (for lack of a better term) with a Model 52 (Skilled) fighter, which is in effect losing one very decent (+9 AA) fighter. One for the price of two, so to speak. Not as bad as Reppuu (601 Air Group)'s one for the price of three, but....

... It then goes on to further confound matters by deciding to convert said 52C (w/ Iwai Flight) into a Model 62 Fighter-Bomber, with decreased AA capability (+10 down to +7, which is very meh), in exchange for dive-bombing capability (+4) and ASW capability (+3). I honestly don't think the trade-off's worth it, and neither do the folks (http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Zero_Fighter_Model_52C_(w/_Iwai_Flight)) on the Wikia (http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Zero_Fighter_Model_62_(Fighter-bomber_/_Iwai_Squadron)) (see comments), it seems. Like I said, if it's because of historical accuracy, that's fine, but as a quest chain, it doesn't make much sense to end up with something with less utility than something you acquired (and subsequently gave up) in the middle of the quest chain.

... But I suppose I can't complain, given that they're more or less giving away these planes for free, as part of a quest chain. I'm not going to complain about free stuff; at least I don't have to spend forever crafting to get more planes. I'm just saying that the implementation makes some... questionable decisions. Like the 601 Reppuu quest - giving up two Reppuus to get one slightly better Reppuu (601)? Kind of sucks. In this case - Giving up one decent plane to get one slightly better plane? And then giving up that plane to get a mediocre fighter-bomber? That kind of sucks too.

Leyana
11-02-2015, 11:58 PM
soloblast I discount all fighters below 10 fp because I can always use more Reppu to fill in for them. Using up 9fp fighters to get 10+ fp fighters is always a win in my book.

soloblast
11-03-2015, 12:06 AM
Leyana Yes, but then you give up that +10 fighter for a very mediocre +7 fighter-bomber, unless you deliberately choose not to finish the quest chain (which is what some people are doing, since the fighter-bomber doesn't have much use).

Less relevantly, not everyone has enough Reppuus that they can afford to give up 2 +9 fighters for one slightly better fighter. I consider myself lucky to even have enough Shiden Kai 2s to fill up any necessary fighter slots in my carriers' loadouts left after I assign my 3 Reppuu. It's a problem that can be solved in the long run via extensive crafting and patience, but yeah. This is obviously a situation that varies from individual to individual as well, so.

Leyana
11-03-2015, 12:26 AM
soloblast That one I'm not arguing about. Crafting Reppus is still a better choice than holding on to the 9fp fighters.

dranzerstar
11-03-2015, 01:31 AM
Fix have been applied, OP updated with info.

tamanwah
11-03-2015, 05:09 AM
May i know what are the planes that we can get monthly?? the 5 stars planes??

kyu bey
11-03-2015, 05:14 AM
tamanwah this: http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Type_0_Fighter_Model_52_(Skilled)
& this: http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Type_0_Fighter_Model_21_(Skilled)

tamanwah
11-03-2015, 05:30 AM
kyu bey thx...