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    Info on the new DD night CI

    Disclaimer: This is the result of preliminary tests. Info here is subject to change due to both possible new discoveries and update on the dev's side.

    Info on the new DD night CI
    In the 25 Oct 2017 patch, 2 types of night CI is added for DD. The dev describes these CI as having relatively low power, but higher triggering rate.


    Type of new DD night CI:
    1. Main gun+torp+radar 
    2. Torp+skilled lookout+radar

    For both cases, only radar with 3 accuracy or more would be counted.

    Modifier of new DD night CI
    Main gun+torp+radar: x1.3 (1 hit)
    Torp+skilled lookout+radar: x1.2 (1 hit)

    Preliminary test:
    [+] Spoiler

    This is a preliminary damage test data for the "Main gun+torp+radar" cutin (credits to @CC_jabberwock) :


    Ship:
    lv99 Yukikaze kai. She has 68 luck and is not the flagship in this fleet.

    Equipment:
    120mm gun/53cm torp/T33 radar. This means she has 154 base night battle attack power.

    Target:
    Vanilla I-class DD (5 armor)

    Result:
    Yukikaze has hit the target 7 times with the "Main gun+torp+radar" cutin, and scored the following damage:

    Green health: 194-196 damage
    Chuha: 134-136 damage

    Everyone of these are non-crit.


    Observation:

    Two things we could observe from this result.

    1. Since the damage is so close to Yukikaze's base night attack powr, it is highly likely that this CI is one hit only.

    2. Assuming the CI is one hit only, the modifier of the "Main gun+torp+radar" cutin should be around x1.3.



    Triggering rate
    to be updated

    Preliminary test:
    [+] Spoiler

    This is a preliminary triggering rate test for the "Main gun+torp+radar" cutin (credits to @CC_jabberwock) :



    Ship:
    lv99 Yukikaze kai. She has 68 luck and is not the flagship in this fleet.

    Equipment:
    120mm gun/53cm torp/T33 radar.


    Result:
    Main gun+torp+radar CI: 62/131=60.19%
    Main gun+torp CI: 28/131=27.18%
    Normal attack: 13/131=12.62%




    Update note:
    28/10/2017 Updated the modifier of both CI


    Last edited by 211303; 10-28-2017 at 03:42 PM.
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    That's an interesting find. So radar-guided cut-in is more accurate but deal less damage? Sounds odd to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandan550 View Post
    That's an interesting find. So radar-guided cut-in is more accurate but deal less damage? Sounds odd to me.
    Well, obviously, with that kind of meh damage, you are not going to use it as a traditional CI against high armor boss.
    Something worth noting is that the equipment set required for these CI are also those which are effective against pt imps. With Surigao, which was crawling with pt boat irl, probably coming next event, this CI could at least make DD dedicated for pt imp less pathetic at night. Maybe that is the idea behind this design.


    or maybe they just didn't think it through


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    Quote Originally Posted by 211303 View Post
    Well, obviously, with that kind of meh damage, you are not going to use it as a traditional CI against high armor boss.
    Something worth noting is that the equipment set required for these CI are also those which are effective against pt imps. With Surigao, which was crawling with pt boat irl, probably coming next event, this CI could at least make DD dedicated for pt imp less pathetic at night. Maybe that is the idea behind this design.


    or maybe they just didn't think it through

    I had a bad feeling about it... Nevertheless the CI seems terrible unless it is made for certain annoyances.


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    So are we going to see PT hime next that have low hp but in NB can only be hit with radar cut in?


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    @211303 I dont see how this would be better against PT imps over HA, HA, Skilled Lookout, AAgun. Even HA, HA, AA Gun was perfectly adequate without reinforcement expansion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCoxwagle View Post
    @211303 I dont see how this would be better against PT imps over HA, HA, Skilled Lookout, AAgun. Even HA, HA, AA Gun was perfectly adequate without reinforcement expansion.


    Well, the comment is basically the product of a frantic attempt to justify the CI's existence.


    Still, with Surigao, a place crawling with pt boat at night, coming, what about the possiblity of using these CI for pt imp at night? This fits the CI's characteristics of having high accuracy (which is kind of meh for normal targets considering that all CI has high accuracy), I don't remember how high the evasion of pt imp is at night though.

    Anyway, we can all agree that this CI is useless at the moment. Perhaps just keep it in mind, see if we can apply it in the coming event.


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    Ok I tried doing a radar-based cut-in with a 10cm gun, a Quint torp and some type-22 surface radar...

    terrible 5 damage happened.


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