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    A couple of points about the vanguard formation, and other new mechanics

    Vanguard formation:

    1. The first 3 ships of vanguard formation will be targeted less (Source). See source for the actual pecentage for a 6 ship fleet and a 7 ship fleet. Note that all samples with protection triggered is excluded, hence the total % is not 100%.

    2. The attack power modifier of vanguard formation are as follows (source):

    1-3th ships: shelling x0.5, torp x1.0, asw x1.0, nb x0.5

    4-7th ships: shellint x1.0, torp x1.0, asw x0.6, nb x1.0

    AA modifier of vanguard formation: x1.1 (source)

    3. Unlike the actual fleet, where only the first 3 ships have reduced shelling damage, all ships in shelling support will have decreased damage if you are using vanguard formation (source). Actual modifier is unknown.

    Changes in support expedition

    1. Shelling support and torp support will now appear in night battle nodes.

    2. Requirement of shelling and aerial support has changed. For practical usage, all you have to remember is that anything with 2 CV(L) will now trigger aerial support. Use 1CV only for shelling.

    ASW support expedition

    Triggering requirement:
    2DD+1CVL+ASW ship+any other ships

    Edit: ASW ship=CV, CAV, BBV, SSV, taigei, CL, Akitsumaru, AO, Taigei (with at least 1 ASW patrol equipment), or DE x2 (no equipment requirement)

    ASW patrol equipment= any tb, db, seaplane, taitei, ka-gou and T3 ASW plane with at least 1 ASW stat. The equipment has to be in a non-zero slot.

    Edit: CV, BBV, SSV, CVL, Taigei are confirmed to contribute in damage. DD and DE does not do anything in ASW support. There could be more types of ships that contributes in ASW damage in the support expedition (the pattern seems to suggest that only ships with plane based ASW equipment will attack in ASW support expedition).

    Damage is affected by ASW stat on planes. We do not know if proficiency is affecting damage or not.

    LBAS ASW attack:
    Triggering requirement:
    Only planes that have +7 or more ASW.

    Currently, the only planes that fit this requirements are:
    Proto Toukai, Toukai (901 squadron), Swordfish mkIII (skilled), TBM-3D, Tenzan (931 squadron), T97 bomber (931 squadron).

    And no, before you ask, the skilled Yura recon plane does not do anything in LBAS against sub, even it has +8 ASW.
    Since the patch on 11 Dec, recon plane with +7 ASW can participate in LBAS ASW battle as well.


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    updated the AA modifier of vanguard formation


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    @211303: Thanks for the info on the new stuff. So in regard to shelling support and vanguard formation, I assume the best thing to do is do 3xmain + RADAR (for (F)BB(V)) and 3xDB + RADAR for CV(L) for maps/routes in which one will use vanguard formation a lot? Some do this anyway for protection against formation modifier, but hard for me to go w/o at least one RADAR on shelling support.


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    Updated the ASW support triggering requirement. The most important discovery is that CV will attack enemy sub too in support if there is a CVL in that fleet (source).

    From the source, you can see that Zuihou has only 1 plane, but the support scores two hits. This can only come from Kaga, who is the only other ship with planes in this fleet.

    - - - Updated - - -
    @goesto11 It still depends on the actual enemy you face, as well as the actual situation. Is your support intended to kill med armor target like Ru, kill low armor target like DD, or do scratch damage against very high armor target? That will change the build completely.

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    Test on how aerial support expedition affect enemy fighter power

    Disclaimer: The following only applies to night>day node.

    Source: https://twitter.com/trollkin_ball/st...95057643339776

    If you send aerial support expedition to a night>day node, the support will arrive right when you enter day battle, BEFORE the main aerial combat of your main fleet. This means that unlike in day nodes, where aerial support expedition arrives after the main aerial combat phase, the aerial support expedition will affect enemy's fighter power in these nodes.

    In the source, the fleet has 121 fighter power, and against a fleet that requires 122 fighter power for AS. The fleet still get AS regardless, and the only explanation is that aerial support expedition kills some of the enemy's plane.



    Test on enemy evasion in line ahead vs vanguard formation

    Source: https://twitter.com/noratako5/status/937817289553879040

    Ship:
    lv99, luck=13, equipment accuracy=40, normal morale

    Situation:
    Our ship is in STF main fleet, attacking Ro class late model and Elite Tsu in the 4-6th slot of enemy's fleet.

    Hit rate:
    Ro class late model:
    When line ahead: 487/663=73.5%
    When vanguard: 78/581=16.2%

    Elite tsu class:
    When line ahead: 176/278=63%
    When vanguard: 20/61=33%


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    A new test on evasion rate in vanguard formation. Basically, from the test, we now know that all ships in vanguard formation gets evasion bonus, and the evasion bonus of 5-6th slot is particularly high.

    A very important thing to remember is that the 4th ship in vanguard formation is the most dangerous position. The ship in this slot does not have the extra evasion bonus in 5-6th slot, nor the lower rate of being targeted in 1-3th slot. It will be wise to put your highest armor/evasion ship, or ship with damecon, in this slot as a tank.


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