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    Ship Discussion: Stalingrad

    Stalingrad's stats have been posted on the Devblog. Stalingrad, if you remember, is the Clan Wars reward ship.

    ST. Soviet cruiser Stalingrad, tier X.

    Hit points – 84000. Plating - 32 mm. Armor belt – 180 mm. Torpedo damage reduction – 25%.

    Main battery - 3х3 305 mm. Firing range – 20.4 km. Maximum AP shell damage - 9200. Reload time - 20 s. 180 degree turn time - 40 s. Maximum dispersion - 219 m. AP initial velocity - 950 m/s. Sigma value – 1.8.

    AA defense - 10x4 25 mm, range - 3.1 km, damage per second - 84. 6x4 45 mm, range - 3.5 km, damage per second - 124. 6x2 130 mm, range - 5.7 km, damage per second - 167.

    Maximum speed - 35 kt. Turning circle radius - 1130 m. Rudder shift time – 15.0 s. Surface detectability – 18.2 km. Air detectability – 13.8 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 15.6 km.

    Available consumables:

    Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

    Slot 2 - Defensive AA Fire

    Slot 3 - Repair Party

    All stats are listed without crew and upgrade modifiers but with best available modules. The stats are subject to change during the testing.


    That turning radius is most impressive. This thing makes Yamato as maneuverable as a Destroyer.



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    Is this a cruiser(?) type with BB stats, armor(!) and cruiser consumables.

    I am not compalin, if have "this thing" occupy a BB slot in match making, but count as a cruiser (with those stats) is a slap to match making.

    180mm belt armor is weaker than "regular BBs", but that 32mm can shatter all except 460mm AP. Other cruisers don't have this armor thickness. I just curious bow&deck is covered by 32 or get the "normal" 25mm cruiser armor.



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    If Moskva is any indication, expect a 50mm deck and upper armour belt, and 32mm plating for the bow and stern.

    Also, I wonder if she's AP only or if HE missing is an oversight. Because if that's the case, enjoy getting bounces, since Stalingrad's guns only overmatch destroyers and RN cruisers' bows, and she's got no way to (blind)fire through Smoke. Also, her Sigma and dispersion are kind of bad... Sure, she's tanky and has a ton of HP points, but if you need half a map to do a U-turn, it doesn't help much...



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    @Keyan_TTK

    LWM says: "The lack of AP shells seems deliberate. From the preliminary videos we've seen of her, she may have improved normalization / autobounce angles / fuse timers akin to British AP shells."

    Like Kronshtadt, this thing should have been a Tier VII Battleship, instead it's being inflated to be a Tier IX "Cruiser."



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    It seems that Stalingrad has RN-like AP shells indeed.

    Stalingrad - AP fuse delay threshold increased from 0.01 to 0.022, added Damage Control Party and Repair Party consumables, similar to those of Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya. Plating increased from 25 mm to 32 mm, sigma value increased to that of the other tier X cruisers (2.05 instead of 1.8). These changes move the cruiser towards a better balance for the tier, especially considering she only has AP shells at her disposal.
    She gets a tad more cruiserly with better plating that lets her tank 16 inch AP shells, but gets Gangut's Damage Control.



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    The RN CL-like AP won't make a difference. You can tank RN CL AP no problem. If you can render the shells of Neptune, Minotaur to be 100% ineffective just from proper angling, the RN CL AP characteristic won't help 305mm. However, I do understand WG trying to make this thing different from Moskva.


    As a Cruiser player: If Baltimore, Hipper, Prinz Eugen, DM, etc. can tank 380mm shells, 305mm won't be a problem. If she catches a Cruiser's sides, it won't be a problem because we've all been dealing with 406mm, 410mm, 419mm, 420mm, 431mm, 457mm, 460mm. These 305mm guns aren't shit. Some of these BBs that sling these bigger shells are very accurate shooters.


    As a Battleship player: LOL 305mm and you don't have Cruiser Accuracy. This is Tier X, Baby. This is not Tier IV-VI where BBs have poor gun range and even worse ranged performance. It's a ship that wants to believe it's a Battleship but it isn't. This isn't Scharnhorst beating up on stupid New Yorks, Texas with horrible gunnery, horrible protection, horrible speed.


    Really, I look forward to seeing this thing and Kronshtadt go Live. My guns can't wait for them. This thing should have been a Tier VII BB.



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    I think a problem are not in the ship stats but the placement in match making:
    That "thing" not paired with T10 BB but with those poor cruisers those ended in T10.
    Most game in T10 has 5bb, 2-3 cruiser, 2-3 dd and maybe a CV. Those 2-3 cruiser can replaced by Stalingrad (and not the 5 camper).
    In clan battle where BB limited to 1 and no CV, Stalingrad will count as a supplement BB.

    T10 infested heavily with camping BBs and in a cruiser play is hard and risky. Advance in big open maps feels a deathwish. Now added Stalingrad instead of "normal" cruiser can increase camping behavior. I expect those "thing" with def AA will camp with other BBs and don't go forward becuse their poor manoverability and big side with troll armor. The other small ships focused not just those big bbs but stalingrad too. If their sigma will 2.05 and have good shell velocity they will snipe from max range too.



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    @hidahos Would you replace a reliable, very flexible, dependable gunner like Hindenburg with that thing? It will also never replace Radar Cruisers, it will never replace actual Cruiser DPM.

    It has no Radar.
    It doesn't even have Hydro.
    It has no Utility like the tech tree RU Cruisers.
    It has no Cruiser gunnery, you got BB Gunnery but without the BB Big Guns.
    It cannot stress a target with HE+Fires when it's needed in focus fire efforts.
    It has BB concealment.

    It's not good for anything.

    FWIW, I think Alaska will be garbage in this game also, if that ever happens. The game compromises, tiering guarantee that.

    If you want a BB, play a BB. If you want Cruiser reliability, utility, get a Cruiser. Stalingrad and Kronshtadt are neither of these things.



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    It seems like that build (British-like AP shells and 32mm armour, with Gangut's Damage Control) was OP though. Here's the latest one that will be tested.

    ST. Balance tweaks.

    Tier X Soviet cruiser Stalingrad

    AP fuse delay increased from 0.22 seconds to 0.33
    Damage Control Party changes:
    Number of charges is now unlimited
    Active time is decreased from 15 seconds to 5
    Reload time is now 90 seconds (instead of 30) for Damage Control Party I and 60 seconds (instead of 20) for Damage Control Party II.
    Repair Party changes:
    Number of charges is decreased from 3 to 2 for Repair Party I and from 4 to 3 for Repair Party II.
    Stalingrad showed both too much effictiveness and survivability. The stats were corrected to make the ship play closer to a cruiser and balance her better against her immediate rivals.



 

 

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