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    @ofi123 Hey one can dream...and it wasn't consistent wording since obviously the bonus for radar is on top.

    So do they have a specialised AACi for these ships? The HA AA bonus is quite huge, these guns would be great for equipping on their respective bonus ships in a fleet with duckies if they don't. Since they won't overwrite the latter's AACI. A small thing, but it would let then equip AA radars.


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    I believe there are other specific AACIs but none have as good of a bonus as duckies. Someone even tweeted out alternative to duckies if there's a need to.




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    @ofi123 Sure, but for a long time we couldn't use duckie guns on regular destroyers with AA radars in the same fleet as them. Because they would overwrite duckie AACI.

    So if these guns don't trigger any AACI, you could run poi in a fleet with them with an AA radar instead of a MG along side duckies. So I wanted to know what AACI these guns have, if any.


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    Given the guns are AA fitted, I'm guessing they trigger AACI. Though it'll be interesting to see if there's any new AACI, but I'd say it'll still have the issue of duckie AA being the best and not wanting to overwrite that. The best I could see is the new AACI being on either Maya or Ise k2 level which is nearer to duckie AACI, thus allowing the "loss" of duckie AACI due to overwrite be compensated with having more triggers with another 1 or more DDs having slightly-weaker-than-duckie-AACI.



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    So do they have a specialised AACi for these ships? The HA AA bonus is quite huge, these guns would be great for equipping on their respective bonus ships in a fleet with duckies if they don't.
    So far, there is no special AACI found. Something worth noting is that the official tweets also hint that these guns will get subsequent update in the future, so perhaps we will get those AACI by then.

    As for the HA AA bonus, whether it is huge or not will largely dependent on if the extra AA counts as AA from equipment or AA on ship. This is because equipment AA and ship AA has different modifier when calculating the adjusted AA value. In the case of HA gun, 1 AA on an HA gun is worth roughly 4 times the base AA of a ship.

    Regardless though, if the HA gun can be upgraded, it will be a slightly better HA gun comparing to duckie gun for the respective ship regardless of the AACI just because of the very similar AA value and higher fp. If it will trigger AACI with AA radar, we can always use surface radar/night battle equipment instead. The cost for upgrading such a specific weapon for just the few eligible ships though would be huge.


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    @211303 When you say extra AA, are you referring to the AA radar bonus? I am referring to just the base AA on the gun, which is either 1 less or the same as the duckies gun, so it's comparable in that sense. It's just the freedom to put whatever I want in the last slot to maximize various stats as well as fleet AA, meaning air radars instead of having to slot surface radars, sonars, MGs or some other compromise equipment, taking into account equip priority for the ship. Not a big deal, but but I just thought it could be something worth noting when equipping it in the right circumstances.


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    @DLRevan I was referring to both the extra AA from mod b k4 gun on specific ship (ie +1 AA on shigure k2 for this gun), and the extra AA when pairing this gun with AA radar on specific ship (ie +6 AA on shigure k2 for this gun+aa radar). It is the first time any AA equipment gaining extra stat on specific ship, and it is unknown how the extra AA is treated in the actual adjusted AA formula.


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    @211303 does that tweet has anything to do with that?




    I can't read moonrunes but it was listed on reddit as a justification about "the increased AA stat from their fit bonus on certain ships does not seem to contribute to AA defense"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Murrue View Post
    @211303 does that tweet has anything to do with that?




    I can't read moonrunes but it was listed on reddit as a justification about "the increased AA stat from their fit bonus on certain ships does not seem to contribute to AA defense"
    Yes, but that is for a red gun, while we are talking about a green gun here. Extra AA on the red gun shows zero effect (by zero, I mean absolutely nothing, not even adding to the ship's base AA).

    It just doesn't make sense that the stat change has no actual effect. Makes you feel perhaps those on a dedicated HA gun might have a different treatment (like how the AA on different types of equipment have different modifier), or the dev simply screws up again.

    In any case, we can't know for sure until tests is done on the HA gun as well. Need to wait for its actual release since only T1-20 guys have these guns now.


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    @211303 For my use case, I'm happy to consider the gun based on the merit of its base 9AA. It's a respectable number, and the +1 bonus is so far only for Murasame and Shigure. It's base FP is also 3, along with the same accuracy bonus. So I'd happily use it this way on DDs without a bonus effect too.


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