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    @goesto11 You are welcome. Also, I hate sparkling myself a lot too and avoid doing so as much as possible. As far as E-5 is concerned, I have only sparkled my escort fleet for E-5 phase 2.

    I can say that, from my experience of 100+ sorties farming node Z2 post clear, that I have not found the need to sparkle at all. If you send Toukais (and an ASW bomber) to node T and sortie an OASW DD, Verniy is recommended, then said node rarely poses a threat. Most of my retreats happen at node M instead. These runs did not include support expeditions neither.


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    @Kuropo: Appreciate the info. Any thoughts on my proposed fleet comps (see prior post spoiler section)? Decided to try CTF for Part 2, and yeah, will sparkle most of escort fleet for Part 2 (not sure if I need to sparkle FBB). Also good point about Verniy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by F50Grunt View Post
    Is it viable to add a CLT to STF for P2 LD? Would it be helpful? I'm only going on normal so I'm not as constrained by tags and Euro requirements as on hard, but I feel like the large amount of installations mean I can't necessarily switch Teste for anyone else since she's been doing a pretty large amount of damage. I'm mostly concerned because I've had a hard time killing the boss in the chipping runs and nothing drains my enthusiasm quicker than a bunch of failed LD attemps, especially when re-sparkling is involved.

    Currently my escort fleet is Teste, Suzuya, Ooyodo, Tashkent, Ayanami, and Prinz. If I were to change anyone around, I feel like I might be best off switching Ooyodo for Abukuma (not exactly a CLT but close enough). Of course, that would remove both a lot of potential anti-installation damage and an obvious spot for a searchlight.

    I could also go for the CTF route, I suppose. I have 23 unreps so that's not an issue, but neither of my oilers are particularly high level. That would allow me to use Shoukaku and Zuikaku, possibly with Ro-500, Graf and Richelieu/Bismarck to fill the requirements.

    I think I'm mostly worried because success here seems to boil down to good TCIs but my only luckmodded ship is Shigure and while she's 99 she isn't that close to max luck. Yukikaze is 90 but barely modified (luckwise), and she always seems to get instantly wrecked whenever I try to use her in an event. Prinz and Myoukou are unmodified but lvl. 90+. Tashkent and Jervis are both too low level to be reliable, which apparently was a major oversight on my part given the nature of this event. My overall torpedo equipment isn't very good, either.

    As it is, I'll probably just try the LD comp for STF a couple times to see how that turns out, once I finish sparkling 24 freaking ships.
    If you do not have better alternatives, CLT is not a bad choice at all. However, Yukikaze already has good base luck stat and actually does not need luck modding (there are much better candidates). Myoukou has decent base luck and good offensive stats, you can consider sortieing her too (with TCI setup).

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    Quote Originally Posted by goesto11 View Post
    @Kuropo: Appreciate the info. Any thoughts on my proposed fleet comps (see prior post spoiler section)? Decided to try CTF for Part 2, and yeah, will sparkle most of escort fleet for Part 2 (not sure if I need to sparkle FBB). Also good point about Verniy.
    Your phase 1 fleet looks good. I would only bring a Saiun instead and replace Yamato with a lighter BB. E-5 phase 1 is comparable to some easier normal maps in terms of difficulty after all.

    I have not used a CTF in phase 2, but I do not see any reason to take a CTF over an STF neither. The preboss nodes are easier with an STF and Air Superiority can also be achieved pretty easily. Furthermore, you are able to sortie more surface ships with an STF, allowing you to bring more Sanshikis (in the main fleet) and more tci in the escort fleet. You also may want to save Prinz Eugen for STF/phase 3 instead (for routing). Of course, I am not going to dictate how you should play the game, but I would like to know the reason why you plan on using a CTF instead.

    You do not need to have a full escort fleet of (O)ASW ships to S rank node T. Only one (or two, if really unlucky) is sufficient, in combination with 3x Toukais and an ASW plane in LBAS.

    Although your fleet will go through airstrike node Z3 in phase 3, I have not found said node to be troublesome at all. Having Z1 or Z3 with AACI setup is more than sufficient in this phase (Akizuki-class is not necessary), which leaves a spot open for another tci ships instead.
    You can also sortie Verniy with Sonar, DC projector and searchlight. She has good ASW stat and counts as a historical ship too.
    I recommend checking out the replay of my node Z3 Gotland farming fleet, which I think I have optimized as much as is possible (after many adjustments over the course of more than 100 sorties). This fleet can be used for clearing phase 3 and is what I recommend and would have used too. Naturally, Nelson has to be replaced by another European BB, preferably Bismarck drei. Kumano CAV can also be replaced by Pola if you have her available (mine is locked in E-4).
    The replay can be found at the bottom of my imgur album: https://imgur.com/a/zMp1TMq

    E-5 phase 3 Final kill is almost as easy as E-5 phase 1. It is not necessary to sortie such a heavy fleet to finally clear E-5/the event, but of course that is entirely up to you.

    I hope this has helped you a bit. Good luck regardless! ^-^


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    Help, I'm almost low on sanity and morale, already 10 attempts on LD hard p2, The best I can do is to crit french to 30 HP, after that she refused to die at all.

    Full sparkle fleet, full chevron LBAS, runing both node and boss support.

    LBAS 1: Hayabusa II (64th sq.)/ T1 m22A/ T1 m22A/ T1 m34 = boss
    LBAS 2: Spitfire mk.IX (Skilled)/ Ginga/ T1 (Nonaka)/ T1 m34 = boss
    LBAS 3: Proto Toukai/ Proto Toukai/ Toukai (601)/ Swordfish mk.II (Skilled) = T node



    I didn't see how I failed to finish French BB because I refreshed after seeing the prediction to ensure the LBAS chevron rank,but I heavily suspect either Prinz failed to TCI or the damage isn't capable to penetrate French's armor.

    Any suggestion for these fleet? or my fleet just hopeless for Hard...I've lost 5 damecon during this LD.
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    @western_gunner

    I think overall consensus is that you have to send all LBAS to the boss on hard and just pray that you can get past the sub node intact. There doesn't seem to be any particularly good strategy for P2 LD that doesn't rely heavily on a ton of things going the exact way you need them.

    I'm also stuck on that part and I'm only on normal. Good luck.

    Edit: The power of whining has once again paid off and I managed to clear P2. It was still incredibly close, with Prinz in the last spot finishing the boss with only 5 overkill damage. She also failed to TCI.

    Hopefully your luck will change, I don't know how much more there is you can do to improve your odds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by western_gunner View Post
    Help, I'm almost low on sanity and morale, already 10 attempts on LD hard p2, The best I can do is to crit french to 30 HP, after that she refused to die at all.

    Full sparkle fleet, full chevron LBAS, runing both node and boss support.

    LBAS 1: Hayabusa II (64th sq.)/ T1 m22A/ T1 m22A/ T1 m34 = boss
    LBAS 2: Spitfire mk.IX (Skilled)/ Ginga/ T1 (Nonaka)/ T1 m34 = boss
    LBAS 3: Proto Toukai/ Proto Toukai/ Toukai (601)/ Swordfish mk.II (Skilled) = T node



    I didn't see how I failed to finish French BB because I refreshed after seeing the prediction to ensure the LBAS chevron rank,but I heavily suspect either Prinz failed to TCI or the damage isn't capable to penetrate French's armor.

    Any suggestion for these fleet? or my fleet just hopeless for Hard...I've lost 5 damecon during this LD.
    Your fleet composition is almost as good as it can get, aside from ship levels and better equipment. I would swap Ooyodo's position with Kumano's though since the former is carrying a searchlight.
    As @F50Grunt mentioned before me, send all three landbases to the boss node instead with 1 fighter and 3 land-based bombers each.
    Furthermore, you can consider equipping less fighters on your CVL(s) and remove seaplane fighters on CAVs instead to aim for Air Parity at node P but still Air Superiority at node W. This allows you to equip more bombers on your CVL(s) and go for a CVCI setup. You need at least 190 air power to reach Air Parity at node P and at least 363 air power at the boss node. However, since you will be sending LBAS to the boss node, you should take into account the air power of your landbases too. I sortied my fleet with ~192 air power and it worked out just fine.

    You can also drop one (or more) of your first three ships in the escort fleet and replace by TCI ships instead and pray that increases your chance on a good snipe.
    Alternatively, you can swap out your 2 CVLs for a CV instead and move a ship from your escort fleet to the main fleet, thus freeing up a slot in the escort fleet for another TCI ship.
    This is the approach I took in tackling E-5 phase 2.

    Regardless of your fleet composition, keep sortieing until you get that lucky snipe. Good luck!


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    Before I start, which Euro ships should go to which tags?

    Also, If I'm not mistaken E-5H's Phase 1 and Phase 2 uses the H-Force tag (the blue one) while Phase 2 uses the Rheinubung tag (the purple one) right?



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    Quote Originally Posted by silentcap View Post
    Before I start, which Euro ships should go to which tags?

    Also, If I'm not mistaken E-5H's Phase 1 and Phase 2 uses the H-Force tag (the blue one) while Phase 2 uses the Rheinubung tag (the purple one) right?
    I would generally recommend only locking the Brits with H-Force tag (CTF) and the rest with Rheinubung tag (STF), but it depends on how you want to clear the phases..


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    ...I... think i'm going to nap. Dozen tries and this is as close as gotten: https://i.imgur.com/doVN32d.png
    Only ever sunk the boss once during the chipping..ugh :D


    I'm sparkled out :P



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    @goesto11

    I've looked through your planned composition. There are a few recommendations I can make, but in summary I feel your Part 3 STF has some problems/areas of big improvement possible especially since you've decided to go with CTF for Part 2. I'll start with that directly.
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    • Roma - 2x main + Recon + AP
    • Musashi K2 - 2x Main + Recon + SPF + AP
    • CVL - Zuihou K2B (probably, maybe Hiyou or even Suzuya CVL) - depends upon what I get for airpower
    • Chitose - depends upon airpower
    • Zara Due - 2x main + SPF + Recon
    • Pola - 2x Main + SPF + Recon

    Escort Fleet (Historic Branching)

    • Nagara - 2x main + T98 Night Scout
    • Z1 - 2x Main + Searchlight
    • Libeccio - OASW **Edit: Probably should use Verniy instead
    • Suzutsuki - AACI
    • Tashkent - 4x torps
    • Yukikaze - 3x torps

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    • Nagara - 2x main + T98 Night Scout
    • Arashio K2 D - SONAR + DC + Searchlight
    • Suzutsuki - AACI
    • Hatsushimo - 3x torps
    • Tashkent - 4x torps
    • Yukikaze - 3x torps


    Your STF is underpowered because, assuming you are using historical routing, you can bring a much heavier escort than what you've listed, there are no constraints on what can be in the escort fleet with historical routing apart from no FBB (max 2BB for fastest route). I understand you're forced to use 3DD because of historical routing, but the other two can be something else more useful than more DDs (especially AACI, which is imo meaningless and gimps your potential NB firepower with the already weak STF).

    Personally, I would recommend Kitakami (from your CTF - she is not needed at all there since Part 1 is so easy, and you aren't intending to use her for Part 2 or 3), and a escort CVL with TBM, F6F-5N, and Iwai DB/F6F-3N. The reason why I'd recommend a CVL to anyone who possesses night planes and is going for the historical routing is because the LD form of the boss has 480 Fighter power needed for AS (not including impact of LBAS), and to achieve that with 2 CVL will usually need them with only 1 bomber+3 fighters, even with SPF support from the other main fleet ships. Bringing a escort CVL allows you to easily bring a second bomber on your CVLs and still get AS at boss.

    If you do end up using the non-historical route, bear in mind that this restricts you even further to max 1 CVL altogether and no CLT allowed. This practically necessitates muling the CVL or using Akitsumaru for getting AS at the LD form for the STF A rank, and restricts your non DD/CL in escort to CAs or more TCI DDs. This used to be how the frontliners ran STF before the historical routing was figured out, and I don't recommend this at all because while getting the STF LD A rank isn't THAT hard, gimping yourself is not going to do any favours for number of tries needed.




    For your CTF, it is mostly as good as it can get. I would recommend removing KTKM from your Part 1 fleet and just replace her with another CA (double attack is fine) since it's really not difficult at all and you don't intend to use KTKM for Part 2.

    For your Part 2 fleet, assuming what you wrote wasn't just copy/paste error, please note that you should preferably put Dive Bombers in the largest slot. It is absolutely essential that the dive bomber be preserved so that the CV is forced to attack the boss (and yes, that PT Imp in the main fleet needs to die from LBAS+Airstrike+Boss Support, or the run is dead). For your oiler, you will definitely want some SPF to guarantee AS at Node I. I brought 3, but 2 should be enough (allowing for using 2 barrels for the boss battle if desired).

    Your Part 3 fleet looks fine, although personally I would suggest FBB or CLT instead of TCI CA as your wildcard in the escort fleet, as passing the 4 BBs (and those damn glowing DDs!) in line ahead at Node H can be a problem unless you get really lucky with airstrike+support. Given your locks, you may want to consider using 6 Europeans (replace Yamato and use Libe instead of your non-TCI DD) to skip the airstrike Node B - personally I do not consider it harmless, it might not do much damage, but it wipes out planes you need for the boss battle - but you can definitely win without it as CTF LD is not difficult.


    Hope this helps! Also you wrote Taiyou instead of Taihou a lot


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