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    Got the clear yesterday after 12 LD attempts. Currently starting the long hard farm. It's not going to be fun when my one and only S rank across 21 runs was the kill. I want off Tanaka's Wild Ride.



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    For Abukuma ASW setup, are people equipping her with Type A-Ko, Torpedo and Sonar? or are people equipping her with Type A-Ko and Sonar and Depth Charge?



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    @Murrue: Yeah, that's what I figured about LHA. :/ Just would be useful here. Fortunately, taiha at aerial battle nodes is rare. Now if my ships would stop eating SS Hime torps. THAT has not gone away by any means. I'm using Arashi & Hagikaze (along with Isokaze & Kawakaze) w/ NB DA during chipping due to large bonus. Not a fan of NB TCI due to higher RNG factor unless it's absolutely necessary. Also my Naganami is not luck modded (under consideration).

    Besides, I have two OASW ships - Abukuma & Kawakaze. WHEN I reach the boss node, doing OK with Boss support. Got an S-rank win, and close to S-rank wins (boss left with 14hp). As I keep mentioning, PROBLEM is getting to the boss with 2x OASW like many are using. Other than a 3rd OASW ship (again, dropped aerial ASW since that did little & running LBAS ASW), I really don't think it's the comp as the vast majority of the problem is the troll sub nodes. Two of those in route are a bit much, and it's not like one would want to go through V (for sure) and W doesn't look great either for passing. JMO and all, but I think not having Node C as troll sub node might have been a better way to go for this map.

    One more good run (i.e. boss kill or close to it) and I'll be on LD which is going to be... a thing in its own right. Really hard to see using 2 let alone 3 OASW ships for that, so either SparkleColle (though not like that's any guarantee) or just sortie, sortie, sortie and hope RNG complies. That's just to get to the boss node and I'm not as confident about using NB DA with 2x bonus (and more consistency) for LD. Starting to think from comments NB TCI is actually more necessary for final kill than I originally thought. OK, so Shigure & Yukikaze then along with Myoukou (not modded), but that just adds yet more RNG.

    Meh. I'll stop there. Thanks for the tips/confirmation & GL on clearing if you haven't already.

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    @Mobius: Congrats! Thanks for the comp as well. Very strongly considering your Escort comp/load out other than I may keep ABKM instead of Sendai (though on personal preference would much rather use NB baka-adorable CL. Issue is that ABKM opening torp can be useful). Did you sparkle escort?

    Also, with 528-531 airpower, did you even not get AS at the boss node on LD? I'm aiming for 530, but if I can keep Tone and just use as SPF mule, I'll probably do that over putting in Comm. Teste. Debatable for sure, but feel a bit better about Tone making it to boss vs. C. Teste.

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    @IronWarrior: I'm using Ko-hyoteki + SONAR + RADAR. That will more effectively kill escort troll subs and damage SS Hime who you want to get to at least to chuuha to avoid a closing torps. Worth giving up a bit more torp against enemy surface IMO.


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    @goesto11 Just sparkling the light fleet is fine. Should only need to sparkle 4 ships most times. The flagship and the OASW ship should maintain 80+ morale since air raids and sub nodes. NBDA on the bonused ships is perfectly capable of penning the boss. Especially for Isokaze, Arashi, Hagikaze and Kawakaze; who can all hit 330+ with 12.7C+10cmFD+radar.

    Also I got AS at the boss with only 516AP. Didn't need to take Teste. Just used Intrepid, Suzuya and Akitsumaru.

    I dropped to 1 OASW for LD and added ASW support fwiw.



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    For the unlocking part, do you have to do the S-rank node S part last, or can you just sortie again and get the S-rank right after finishing part 1??



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    @Leyana: Congrats clear. So I have this right, you went with 2x OASW for chipping, then dropped one (so 1 total) for LD? Is that correct. Thinking of going back to Sendai for OASW (ala Mobius' comp & like her) over ABKM since Sendai does get a bonus at the boss. OTOH, could just keep ABKM w/ NB TCI (though not luck modded :/) and have Kawakaze do OASW. Then again, Kawakaze can do OK with NB DA at Node Z thanks to large damage bonus.

    I've read that 520 airpower for LD may not be enough to guarantee AS. Depends upon what ya got for LBAS but also some RNG there. Thought about Intrepid as well, but I think Taihou can do the job along with Akitsumaru & Tone K2 (Suzuya/Kumano locked out). Going off memory, but I think I can get around 530 airpower. Only downside is dropping Suisei M22 skilled for Type 0 M62 Iwai.

    As for ASW aerial support, gotta be honest, that just didn't do much of anything for me with 4xCVL (Taiyou & Shiyou incl.) + 2xDD. Had 3x ASW planes best I could along with RADAR (still had some misses). Just seemed like a total waste. :/ Any suggestions on this. I guess I could go with 4x ASW planes on CVL, but don't have THAT may great ASW planes. I've used aerial ASW support before and it's been helpful, but here... Even with if I get the 3x SS escorts comp, the "normal" subs get taken out fast between LBAS and OASW. It's SS Hime. If I'm lucky, I can get her to chuuha so only one torp to dodge though that one torp may be enough. :/

    As for Arashi, Hagikaze, Isokaze, yeah, like to go with NB DA for consistency and not having to worry about trigger. May still put Myoukou (since flag) with NB TCI for LD though. Roll the dice on one ship there. Of course, I need those DD not to get hit to chuuha/taiha before NB (when I get to the boss node).

    Still working on getting to LD, but honestly my biggest concern is just being able to get to the Boss node with less OASW and hope that when I do, stars align enough. With the damage bonuses, etc. the boss comp isn't that bad, it's just getting killed along the way.

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    @firehawk12: Doesn't seem to be any order, and it's recommended to do that first actually since less LBAS plane shuffling and you've got the fleet set up to go anyway. Just change load out.


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    @goesto11 I had 3 OASW for chipping. I'd like to make a note that Abukuma and Ooi OASW did fuck all. It was all Tashkent being the MVP. You can end up with AP even with 520AP on LD but said occurrences are rare and require multiple bad LBAS rolls.

    The good ASW support is 2CV2CVL2DD. Take carriers with big slots. ASW support works like air support and slot size plays a large role. I was using Taihou, Kaga, Chiyoda and Junyou. They crit the loli for 100 before. They also make a great backstop for when your Toukai shits the bed and doesn't kill all the subs. Any 7+ ASW plane will work. Even the Akitsumaru ones.

    Honestly, even with a single OASW, you can make it work. You're rarely going to get rid of the subloli before opening, but even 1 powerful ASW ship is enough to stop her closing. Taking multiple ASW is just in case that one misses.



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    @Leyana: Thanks. I got a good run in (boss had 106hp left) which was just enough to get me to LD. In retrospect, probably should have gone with 3x OASW for chipping though seems 2x OASW was enough for many. Either way, long slog, but done. Also was very lucky to get Johnston as a drop on my one S-rank win. I think it's the first time I've got a new drop-only ship during clear, and a very good time for that to occur indeed.

    [EDIT] Got some more/better info from KC Wiki (vs. Wikia). Also misread some of your stuff. My apologies on that. Multi-tasking fail >_<. Still, "ASW support works like air support and slot size plays a large role." is new to me because while I get that it works for normal aerial support (i.e. like air strike), but AFAIK, slot size didn't matter for ASW work - just the planes ASW stat. OTOH, maybe it works different for support. IDK at this point.

    Back to the CV though, seems clear from KC Wiki that "The "ASW Ship" must be 1 of the following: CVL/AV/AO/CL/CT.". Get the idea that having 2x CV would help with Node J and would make sense as a "hybrid" aerial support - get some ASW and better potential against surface fleets, but unless I'm missing something (and I might), than CV won't help with terror sub nodes C & ZZ. Right now, thinking that I'm going to stick with 4xCVL since my major concern is sub nodes.

    Please let me know if I'm missing something about CV & aerial support ASW work. And yeah, I did have a fighter in small slots for a couple CVL for Node J.

    As for "even 1 powerful ASW ship is enough to stop her closing. Taking multiple ASW is just in case that one misses." don't know about that. 2 OASW can hit her and still may not be enough to get to chuuha. However, I think you made up my mind for me on one thing. With drop ABKM and go with Sendai with T4 SONAR, T3 DC and T2 DC rack for max synergy bonus. If that doesn't work... IDK hard to see going 2x OASW for final kill. Lot of lost NB FP with that.

    Will also try Myoukou in NB TCI load out (2x torps + T98 Night Scout + Searchlight). Will stick with Kawakaze, Hagikaze, Arashi and Isokaze in NB DA load out. Will check bonuses for various 12.7cm twin Mod versions. You mentioned Mod C + 10cm HA+FD. Can do that though I did have Isokaze with 2x10cm HA+FD & GFCS for a bit of AACI which I think helped some in terms of passing aerial battle nodes. Lot of those.


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    Quote Originally Posted by goesto11 View Post
    @Mobius: Congrats! Thanks for the comp as well. Very strongly considering your Escort comp/load out other than I may keep ABKM instead of Sendai (though on personal preference would much rather use NB baka-adorable CL. Issue is that ABKM opening torp can be useful). Did you sparkle escort?

    Also, with 528-531 airpower, did you even not get AS at the boss node on LD? I'm aiming for 530, but if I can keep Tone and just use as SPF mule, I'll probably do that over putting in Comm. Teste. Debatable for sure, but feel a bit better about Tone making it to boss vs. C. Teste.
    Thanks!

    I took Sendai over my ringed Tatsuta on 211303's recommendation. I'd imagine that she can get better scratch damage thanks to her modifier. I'm honestly not sure Abukuma's torps would be very useful on LD, I think it's better to have your ASW ships be completely dedicated to ASW to hurt loli sub as much as possible.

    I did sparkle my escort fleet. I'd definitely recommend doing it. Main fleet should be mostly safe, and honestly even with sparkled main fleet Haguro managed to get sniped at J of all fucking places, so I wouldn't bother with main fleet.

    I got AS with this setup. I should point out that I also usually got it with my 520 setup, but there were 3 occasions where I did not get it, which is why I increased my FP to reduce the chances of it happening again.

    As for TCI vs DA, I'm a high ranking member of the Church of Double Attacks, but frankly I felt that it let me down kind of hard this map. Even historical ships with high modifiers felt like they had troubles getting a lot of damage. Looking at the battle report of the kill, Myoukou's TCI dealt 354 dmg, Shigure's TCI dealt 65 dmg , Isokaze's DA dealt 227, and Yukikaze's TCI dealt 503 dmg. TCI is definitely more RNG, but it also has more chance to get a kill on the boss in my personal experience.
    Try a DA setup if you want, but don't be as obstinate as me. 30 LD attempts...





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