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    Node J dropped Commandant Teste, Node O dropped Mizuho. Had to retreat at node O since if I use FCF again I will only have 2 radars left. Not sure to call this a good or bad run lol.



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    @Forcyte same problem here...
    So far 7 sorties, reached boss twice and have only 660 HP chipped off...
    A couple of times I couldn't even get through the first sub nodes.

    FCF is also kind of useless before Node O...


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    @goesto11 Nothing in particular. If you have nelson not tagged yet, Nelson could be a choice for STF farming, but that will be the only BB you can bring due to routing.

    You can also include a CLT for passing rate and a S rank.


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    E4H done!

    No Fletcher though. Looks like I'm gonna have to come back to this map later

    Unlocking with STF: took two sorties to secure S-rank at S node (unlucky taiha at N-node).
    Unlocking with CTF: took one sortie to secure S-rank at T node (both LBAS sent to J). Node support used for both unlocks. T-node is a pushover, got daytime S-rank even without LBAS (and node support not triggering). I even brought FCF just in case, but didn't need to use it.

    And then... The chipping...

    Phase 1 - CTF

    I've gotta say, even with friend fleet, RNG still plays a big role in this map. My best chipping run happened with 2 ships sent back on the first node via FCF (!) and half the fleet at chuuha when arriving at boss (500-plus chip). My worst chipping run happened with all 12 ships arriving to boss at green health (sub-100 chip). Ultimately, it's just about throwing resources at the map and praying to RNGesus.

    I tried anti-installation comps for the first few runs, but they failed to reliably kill anything in the main fleet. So instead of trying to nuke the installations, I went for the "death by a thousand cuts" approach and focused the fleet setup solely on passing rate. Figured that as long as I get a few hundred points of chip damage per run, I'd consider it a success. Hell, I even managed to A-rank the boss 6 out of 8 times while chipping without any real anti-installation gear!

    Here's the fleet:



    I had enough radars to secure best routing even if I had to send back 2 radar-carrying ships via FCF. Carriers were using dive bombers that enabled them to attack the boss, although I was constantly swapping out planes that had lost their ranks, so I pretty much used whatever was available. Sent both supports for chipping, one LBAS sent to J (4 fighters) and one to boss (1 fighter 3 bombers).

    Took me 14 total sorties, 17k fuel/ammo, 8k bauxite and 70 buckets to do all the tasks required to unlock the new starting point.

    Phase 2 - STF

    Here's the fleet:



    So this was a cakewalk. One sortie to knock boss down to LD range, one more sortie to finish her off. Decided to use Italians instead of historicals to open up better options for friend fleets. Both supports used and both LBAS sent to boss (1 fighter 3 bombers each). No sparkling the fleet itself though, because sparkling is a meme.

    Farming the boss for Fletcher looks like it's going to be roughly as cancerous as Hayanami farm last event, and I somehow managed to survive THAT even with 100+ sorties, so... Still hoping for a stealth buff to Fletcher's droprate though.

    Undecided on how I'm going to approach E5. I'm seriously considering doing that map on easy, so I could go farm Fletcher in E4 and then Iowa in E5, but that E5H plane looks mighty tempting. I'm still sitting at near hardcap resources, though, so I don't know.

    Anyway, going to recover for a day and then...

    Onwards to E5!



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    @friggo Congrats on the clearing!

    Did you do sparkle runs or send supports during the CTF chipping phase?

    I'm at 11 runs, 8.7k/4.2k/7k/3.4k + 61 buckets, but with only ~1100HP chipped away (3417/4500)


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    I used node support during the chip and started sending boss support from like the 3rd chipping run onwards.
    I didn't sparkle anything in my actual fleet during the whole of E4.



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    @friggo Maybe I should start sending node support

    Two more runs with a comp like yours, first one Flagship Taihaa retreat at Node J, second run 1 ship got Taihaa the first node, then 2 more at Node J.

    Or maybe just keep trying, because it does seem like I'm getting trolled by RNG (payback for easy fletcher?)


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    Is the Central Princess weak against both sanshiki and WG42? During chipping my Mogami with 2 guns + sanshiki + WG42 didn't do much against her.

    EDIT: lol Akagi with single Suisei (T3 Cluster Bombs) got MVP over Kirishima and Hiei in node X.


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    @ofi123 Well, I've seen Nachi and Ashigara do very high damage to her in her Casual difficulty form that can still only be explained by their having Type 3. Since she has only 180 armor there, it's easy to see. Also, past info indicates she is vulnerable to WG42.

    Thing is, most likely these are pre-cap bonuses just like most other installations. It's not going to help Mogami do bonkers damage to Central with no historical bonus. She still has 240 armor during chipping runs, while Mogami is still capped at 300 no matter what without a crit.

    Interestingly, the same info I read on WG42 states that while Central is vulnerable to both WG42 and Kai-Mi tanks....using them together cancels the tank bonus. Still advisable in my book to use this combination to kill off Supply Hime tho.

    @211303 Has your opinion changed on Hard farming for this map now that friend fleets are in? Namely, that S ranks are very difficult. Most of the "powerful fleets" seem to have pretty significant anti-ship power that could help bring down Water Demon and enemy escort fleet stragglers. The boss and Water Demon still have 1700 Hp between them though.

    I'm just eyeing the possibly 5~ or even 6% drop rate for Hard mode S ranks...which is significantly higher than A ranks, or S ranks at casual farming.

    EDIT: OK...I just dropped her. Frankly in the past 2 years I seem to drop the new ships right after I rant on the forum (I did a small one the other thread this time). Please feel free to still advise on my question for the benefit of others though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DLRevan View Post
    Has your opinion changed on Hard farming for this map now that friend fleets are in? Namely, that S ranks are very difficult. Most of the "powerful fleets" seem to have pretty significant anti-ship power that could help bring down Water Demon and enemy escort fleet stragglers. The boss and Water Demon still have 1700 Hp between them though.
    I have a fair number of runs now and can confidently say that S ranks are impossible on hard difficulty, without the use of boss support and/or strong tci. The main issue is that the water demon just is not willing to be taken down. She'd been the lone survivor for a number of times now, with only 100-200 hp. E-4 friend fleet is not very helpful either against her or any other targets in the main fleet. The other enemies in the main fleet, including the boss, should not be a challenge though. Here's hoping that the new E-4 friend fleet is able to take down the water demon, if I do not get Fletcher by then. I doubt that will be the case considering how tanky she is and how much firepower it requires to defeat her.


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