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    http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Gu...HE_penetration

    If the IJN 100mm HE Pen Buff goes through it effectively makes them better than 152mm guns. The math adds up kind of like RU & USN 152mm.
    152mm / 6 = 25mm of armor needed to defeat these shells, rounded down.

    Coincidentally, it meshes like Mogami's 155mm.
    155mm / 6 = 26mm of armor needed to defeat these shells, rounded up.

    Basically they're giving the IJN 100mm the same level of HE Pen as Mogami-155.
    And just like Mogami, what happens if she takes IFHE?
    155mm x 1.3 / 6 = 34mm of armor needed to defeat these shells, rounded up.

    With IFHE, the IJN Akizuki family gets past the 32mm armor threshold which is very common in high tier. Lots of Cruiser and Battleship armor sections use 32mm, especially BBs.

    Even in Tier X, tons of Cruisers float around the 25mm-30mm realm.
    USN CLs are coated in 25mm and Akizuki will pen them ANYWHERE without IFHE.
    VIII-X USN & German CAs have 27mm bows, with IFHE 'Zuki will pen even that.
    Some Cruisers have 27mm-30mm hull sides and deck armor.
    Only Moskva with her magical 50mm plates will be immune but her superstructure will still be vulnerable to these shells even without IFHE by 'Zuki.

    BBs? There are 3 numbers important to High Tier BBs.
    19mm: Superstructure thickness, 'Zuki pens those by default with IFHE today, or without IFHE with the buff. This is crucial as no matter what, 'Zuki can pen this for free when the change goes through. If all else fails against some High Tier BBs, 'Zuki can fall back to hitting superstructure.

    50mm: For Moskva and some very lucky BBs (LOL, RU Bias) they get 50mm deck armor. German BBs feature this and 'Zuki even with the buff and IFHE still cannot pen this. So as said already, 'Zuki has to go for superstructure.

    32mm: This is a very common plate on BBs. Their Bows and numerous BBs have this. Matter of fact, RN & French BBs are literally covered in 32mm plate if you ignore superstructure. FYI, French & RN Battleships are super vulnerable to IFHE 152mm spam, and Akizuki will be able to have fun here if she adopts IFHE with the buff in place.


    Side note, with the change in place, Akizuki will be an absolute monster when she's top tier. Those poor Tier VI-VII ships will be eating penetration damage all over the place.


    The funny part is, when the buff goes through, as funny as it sounds penetrating 32mm armor with IFHE on 100mm guns, do you really need it? The quick answer is, "Not really" because you're going to go for the superstructure. But then again, you will have a bunch of shots fall around the decks of a target even if you focus on superstructure, so with IFHE you will pen almost all Cruiser decks (anyone not named Moskva) and many BB decks for very consistent damage.


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    What I want is Harekaze getting more effective on cruiser and BBs. As she is now she's not that effective on either with either her short range 100mm or easy to dodge stock kagero torps. Even as an anti-DD gunboat she lacks the hp to be truly effective on keeping up with other gunboats.



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    @ofi123 When the change goes through, it'll be a very useful buff for HSF Harekaze. It's a free buff, because Akizuki to receive this buff actually had to eat some nerfs in other things that some of her users are not too fond of. Of course, this forces the 100mm gun use on Harekaze even more. There are literally zero reasons to use the 127mm guns, most esp. when the IJN 100mm buff hits.



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    @M.A.Mitscher

    Even at the start there's no good reason to use anything other than 100mm guns. The USN 127 just lacks the dpm, and you are better off playing Kagero for IJN 127 due to torps and hp pool.
    But even with the 'optimal' 100mm guns Harekaze still felt ineffective for me so I wanted some buff for her. Even if they just buff her hp to B hull Kagero's level I would be content. With the new 100mm buff there's multiple options to take:
    1) RPF for better effective scouting and anti-DD role
    2) IFHE for better gun boating damage consistency on cruisers, but sub 10km range means same risk as before
    3) AFT for less gunboating risk, but still only superstructure damage for non-DDs and bigger rainbow to deal with.
    3) AFT with IFHE for best gunboat, but dropping DE and AR may not be worth the trade in overall damage output.



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    @ofi123 Ha, been a while since I seen anyone consider AFT on Non-RU DDs. Usually, guys are averse to doing so due to the extra gun bloom. But yes, the freeing of 4 pts of where IFHE for some was mandatory opens up options. Personally like RPF myself because of the certainty it gives to your situational awareness. Intuition is great, but RPF confirms everything.



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    @M.A.Mitscher

    I threw AFT in there as using Harekaze as a gunboat means being in radar range with that sub 10km gun range. tbh even calling the current Harekaze jack of all trades is hard as she's below average in almost everything except DPM and concealment, but she lacks the hp pool or range to be an effective gunboat.



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    Is this 100mm buff only for DDs or apply for other ships uses 100mm as secondaries?

    - The same guns: Ibuki, Zao, Hakuryou, Kii.
    - French BB line uses 100mm guns too, but different type.



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    @hidahos

    Only IJN 100mm. French 100mm are not affected. From WoWS forum:
    WoWS Dev Blog
    Akizuki, Kitakaze, Harugumo, Harekaze and secondaries of the Zao and Hakuryu

    Reddit has a post that mentioned Kii getting it as well, but I can't personally verify from their source.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWars...mm_get_14_pen/

    Sadly, poor Taihou is forgotten yet again...



 

 

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