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    @chronomeister Thats what I do when I am playing OW, wait for the time when I died to re-send expeditions

    but when I am playing on 3ds, pausing the game sometimes makes me forgot where I was before I paused

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    @211303 Now you're being a powergamer and kuso.

    CLK2 don't need some gimmick or anything, look at Jintsuu. They just need a decent stat buff that puts them on par with jintsuu or at least better than Sendai or Naka (which considering most kai are on par with those.. isn't hard) with some equipment and that'd be a fine CLK2.
    CL fit a niche and that's not going to change anytime soon, but having high damage CL to use that make up for not having ABKM's torpedo (which would be useful for all these installations) would be fine.
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    @KotoNano The thing is, damage alone will not make CL usable. Jintsuu is probably the highest nb damage any IJN CL could have, and we have Sendai, Nagara and Kuma as bench. You don't choose to bring a CL because she does high damage (CA could always do higher damage in both day battle and night battle). In the current game system, you only bring a CL because you are required to (e.g. in combined fleet and for routing). If we add a CL with high damage, either one of the CL mentioned above lose their job, or the new CL is too weak to compete with those CL. This neither gets MORE CL involved, not it provides more opportunity to use CL. Don't get me wrong, I like my CL and I have 12 lv80+ CLs, but simply introducing a Jintsuu type CL k2 does not solve any problem.

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    Except Jintsuu is already at the cusp, any stronger CL getting a K2 with a boost will hit as high as a mid-tier CA during the day.
    Sure you aren't going to get a CL that hits as hard as Myoukou during the day but Jintsuu Kai Ni has the same nightbattle stat as Myouko Kai Ni

    Really, the main difference between CA and CL is slot numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KotoNano View Post
    @211303 No, ASW for DD's is not the same as 3 slot CL's anymore.
    Only high-end high-level married DD are the same as a well levelled CL now for it.


    ABKM carries a midget sub because she is in a lesbian love triangle with KTKM.
    CLs are clearly much better than DDs are. The only real question is what happens when there both DDs and CLs are in the same fleet.

    One other consideration is the opportunity cost of the pre-emptive ASW, CLs give up quite a bit more than DDs do if they want to have a sonar.

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    @chronomeister Ah, of course the situation is better now, but we were talking about why we didn't have new CL for almost a year, right?

    Besides, I doubt the pre-emptive ASW will encourage new CL k2. Almost every CL can hit base 100 ASW at around lv80, which is not hard to reach at all. A k2 will not make them better in ASW, unless they get a fourth slot. If we get any new CL k2/new CL in the future, in order for them to stand out, they will need to have some gimmicky mechanism like ABKM.
    Reaching 100ASW isn't like Jintsuu vs Sendai vs Naka firepower, it's a yes or no thing. Either a CL can hit 100 nominal ASW, or it can't, barring extremely high levels.

    All a new K2 needs is a niche, Isuzu's gone from being complete trash to important CLs since she now has an ability that nobody else can replicate. Just have a CL with high firepower that can carry landing craft and we have a whole new niche.

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    @KotoNano The thing is, damage alone will not make CL usable. Jintsuu is probably the highest nb damage any IJN CL could have, and we have Sendai, Nagara and Kuma as bench. You don't choose to bring a CL because she does high damage (CA could always do higher damage in both day battle and night battle). In the current game system, you only bring a CL because you are required to (e.g. in combined fleet and for routing). If we add a CL with high damage, either one of the CL mentioned above lose their job, or the new CL is too weak to compete with those CL. This neither gets MORE CL involved, not it provides more opportunity to use CL. Don't get me wrong, I like my CL and I have 12 lv80+ CLs, but simply introducing a Jintsuu type CL k2 does not solve any problem.
    Jintsuu's probably the highest FP we'll ever see a CL, because any more and you have a CA.

    Just give some of them the ability to use daihatsus and lots of stuff would be solved.
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    @EchIII Problem with that is there's plenty of CL with 1FP less than Jintsuu, which might be why we haven't had any CLK2 if that's the case. If Kuma/Nagara got a K2 and LOST FP that would be a sin.

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    @Mr_Retro Not sure if this is your thing, but here you go

    https://twitter.com/hiziri_A/status/755777079052898305

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    @KotoNano That still makes CA a better choice, right? An extra radar, extra nb equipment, or a sanshiki for installation will always do good. They also get extra nb accuracy and evasion from 20.3cm guns. Besides, as I said, introducing higher damage CL would only result in the existing CL losing their job, which is not something I want to see. I mean, look at the recent DD. They all have some irreplaceable job, making them distinguish from traditional powerful DD like Poi and Ayanami. I think CL could also do the same.

    For example, if they introduce a USN CL, I would like to see a Cleveland class or a Atlanta class that has both decent ASW and AACI that is at least on par with Akitsuki class. This way, I could fit in another torp CI DD in the second fleet, or another BB/CV in the first fleet, while still keeping the AACI. This also fits what USN CL do in RL, which is to escort, AA, and ASW, but not as a main force in night battle. Moreover, it also diminishs the importance of luck modding, which is also a favorable change.

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    so basically...we need more BBs!

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    @KotoNano

    The only three other non K2s with 69/89 are Kuma, Nagara, and Natori, and Nagara is already strictly better than Kuma and Natori.

    Jintsuu's only real advantage over other CLs is her night battle ability. Any new K2s will have to differentiate the CLs. As of now, daihatsus are one such option.
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