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    @Soryuu If that is the way to interpret the chart, then I seem to be in the right spot.

    Were the questions designed to be a bi-polar choice on the ends of either the Left-Right (Authoritarian-Libertarian) spectrum. Where the Agree choice would be one pole and disagree would be the other? Or are there questions that are simply center to pole? I am starting to wonder if the chart's creators are conflating Libertarianism with a rejection of all authority, including authority voluntarily agreed to.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Shishouro View Post
    I am starting to wonder if the chart's creators are conflating Libertarianism with a rejection of all authority, including authority voluntarily agreed to.
    Probably flogging a dead horse to mention this since we've pointed out to no end how flawed the chart is in its own way, but I was thinking as to why the little analysis gave me the result it did and I agree completely with that statement.

    It's telling to note that nearly all democratically-elected leaders in the Western world, according to the author's judgement, fall into the top-right (Authoritarian-Right Wing) of their political spectrum. If you only focus on leaders who are the political head of government of an independent nation (so, let's say, Nicola Sturgeon of a non-independent Scotland doesn't count), that makes all of them. Clearly it seems to actually accept a democratic system and the existence of a free market automatically drops you into the top-right and if you're outside of it you are either an anarchist, a socialist revolutionary, or someone holds wild ideals and has absolutely no regard for political realities in a democratic country.

    Wasn't it a few pages ago that someone mentioned that 'the chart was crafted by the bottom-lefters' and pretty much nearly all the problems in the present-day world could be attributed to them? (Just kidding. As long as you people don't end up running our countries we can still be pals) XD


    (Ah, I admit what irritated me even more than the placing they gave me as a rather muted centre-rightist (how mild >_<) was that they somehow also stuck the Liberal Democrats, basically Britain's protest party and the source of much of my distaste, in the top right as well despite their commitment to clamping down on industry and commerce and forcibly promoting green economic policies)



    My favourite political spectrum simulator happens to be that of NationStates by Max Barry (an unabashed bottom-lefter according to the chart), which measures your political leanings according to political, economics, and social freedoms, and thus allows for a distinction between democracies and dictatorships, as well as avoiding smashing all kinds of government control/regulation into a single measure of authoritarianism in general - only in an aspect that you(r fictional government) deems necessary of regulation.

    It's been a while since I ever loaded that up but I remember running two countries, a hypercapitalist corporate dictatorship that clamped down on everything else except feminist issues, and a European-style centrist democracy but with a nationalist and authoritarian bent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shishouro View Post
    Were the questions designed to be a bi-polar choice on the ends of either the Left-Right (Authoritarian-Libertarian) spectrum. Where the Agree choice would be one pole and disagree would be the other? Or are there questions that are simply center to pole? I am starting to wonder if the chart's creators are conflating Libertarianism with a rejection of all authority, including authority voluntarily agreed to.
    I'm guessing it's more of the latter and what drives anyone to be centre to the pole is some strange combination of the agrees and disagrees. They very well might be doing that with libertarianism yeah. I think Nanashi has got us covered on its flaws and so on. But hey this was just for a bit of fun. I was expecting something like this to happen because of the lack of comprehensive questions and the biases of the creators.

    Quote Originally Posted by NanashiYoukai View Post
    It's telling to note that nearly all democratically-elected leaders in the Western world, according to the author's judgement, fall into the top-right (Authoritarian-Right Wing) of their political spectrum. If you only focus on leaders who are the political head of government of an independent nation (so, let's say, Nicola Sturgeon of a non-independent Scotland doesn't count), that makes all of them. Clearly it seems to actually accept a democratic system and the existence of a free market automatically drops you into the top-right and if you're outside of it you are either an anarchist, a socialist revolutionary, or someone holds wild ideals and has absolutely no regard for political realities in a democratic country.

    Wasn't it a few pages ago that someone mentioned that 'the chart was crafted by the bottom-lefters' and pretty much nearly all the problems in the present-day world could be attributed to them? (Just kidding. As long as you people don't end up running our countries we can still be pals) XD


    (Ah, I admit what irritated me even more than the placing they gave me as a rather muted centre-rightist (how mild >_<) was that they somehow also stuck the Liberal Democrats, basically Britain's protest party and the source of much of my distaste, in the top right as well despite their commitment to clamping down on industry and commerce and forcibly promoting green economic policies)



    My favourite political spectrum simulator happens to be that of NationStates by Max Barry (an unabashed bottom-lefter according to the chart), which measures your political leanings according to political, economics, and social freedoms, and thus allows for a distinction between democracies and dictatorships, as well as avoiding smashing all kinds of government control/regulation into a single measure of authoritarianism in general - only in an aspect that you(r fictional government) deems necessary of regulation.

    It's been a while since I ever loaded that up but I remember running two countries, a hypercapitalist corporate dictatorship that clamped down on everything else except feminist issues, and a European-style centrist democracy but with a nationalist and authoritarian bent.
    Fuck me then, I'm a full-fledged anarchist for being wildly out of the top-right quadrant. Keynesians in the end are awful leftists too. It seems to me that the default position of any one person is the bottom-left, or so it seems from the biases and all. (Nicky can do one, tbh.) And hey not all the problems in the world come from the bottom-left. There's the top-left that has caused us a whole lot of negative emotions. Authoritarian right-wing is a bit sketchy because some of it is circumstantial (previously existing large government size and the previously-existing free market), not exactly the ideals of the leaders. So hey another flaw is that they are probably mixing up the policies and ideals of some of these world leaders.

    I thought the Lib Dems were on the bottom left or teetering on the top left, tbh. Them being placed in the top right is a surprise. Either way they are a spineless political party that won't get anywhere so... heh.

    And gosh I remember playing that. I had two nations but I didn't really run them according to my ideals, I just went to the most extreme options every time just to see what happens. I have gotten Benevolent Dictatorship and Capitalizt before, good stuff. Maybe I should boot it up again and play according to my (not) anarcho-capitalist ideals.


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    I'm generally not too surprised with the result of this test.I tend to see myself as more of a centrist with probablly more left leaning views then right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Soryuu View Post
    I'm guessing it's more of the latter and what drives anyone to be centre to the pole is some strange combination of the agrees and disagrees. They very well might be doing that with libertarianism yeah. I think Nanashi has got us covered on its flaws and so on. But hey this was just for a bit of fun. I was expecting something like this to happen because of the lack of comprehensive questions and the biases of the creators.



    Fuck me then, I'm a full-fledged anarchist for being wildly out of the top-right quadrant. Keynesians in the end are awful leftists too. It seems to me that the default position of any one person is the bottom-left, or so it seems from the biases and all. (Nicky can do one, tbh.) And hey not all the problems in the world come from the bottom-left. There's the top-left that has caused us a whole lot of negative emotions. Authoritarian right-wing is a bit sketchy because some of it is circumstantial (previously existing large government size and the previously-existing free market), not exactly the ideals of the leaders. So hey another flaw is that they are probably mixing up the policies and ideals of some of these world leaders.

    I thought the Lib Dems were on the bottom left or teetering on the top left, tbh. Them being placed in the top right is a surprise. Either way they are a spineless political party that won't get anywhere so... heh.

    And gosh I remember playing that. I had two nations but I didn't really run them according to my ideals, I just went to the most extreme options every time just to see what happens. I have gotten Benevolent Dictatorship and Capitalizt before, good stuff. Maybe I should boot it up again and play according to my (not) anarcho-capitalist ideals.
    That surprised me as well. That being said (speaking in terms of US politics), I disagree with the notion that left (liberal-democrats) are useless. I won't go into why as I have no intention of starting a flame war or significant disagreement on this forum. As for my own register:




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    @firemagnet Oh, I mean the British party. I don't even know if the liberal left exists as a political entity in America because the Democrats and Republicans just seem to be on the same quadrant anyway, the top right.


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