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    Would be interesting if they make max speed ships time travelimmune to opening torps.
    With this Yamato is one step closer to become SBS Yamato




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    @Jifaru: True, though FP would matter for land based type bosses. Plus proto 51cm don't fit on Bismarck so can boost Yamato class more. I suppose one could also throw a torpedo bulge on Iowa for a poor man's Yamato substitute in that case, but not the same. [Edit] Would upgrade Bofor's 40mm if/when available, but nothing right now (passing on 25mm concentrated). Still scrambling to keep up with improvement with all the new additions. At any rate, yes, I'm sure Bismarck Drei will remain overall queen of FBB for escort fleets.

    Really the heart of my question is more towards classification. So in that example, one might make a Yamato class "fast" in terms of speed, but is that the same as a "Fast BB" for combined fleet escort limitations (I'm sure it works for branching requiring a fast fleet). Other than that, wondering what the additional speed categories do.

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    @211303: That's what I thought. Expansion slot alone won't be enough. Need two slots worth of engine equipment at least.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 211303 View Post
    Well, the tweet says at this point anything faster than fast will only effect evasion, but also hinting it will have more effect in the future. I won't be surprised if a high speed plus fleet can skip node or has a new route in the coming event. We also need to know how much the evasion boost of high speed plus and max speed is before we can say anything.
    @goesto11 You have to give up obs or ap shell for that. Can't say it's really worth.
    If branching rules simply became "Bismarck leads to offroute", then suddenly the Yamato option becomes much more viable. Though such a condition has been very rare, and there is also Iowa for a somewhat softer option.

    Quite amusing to see these new speed stats. Imagine, Fast+ and up being faster than a stock Shimakaze. Your huge battleship can now reach 50 knots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 211303 View Post
    This speed system is a bit more complicated than I thought. As the tweet says, different ships have different potential speed.

    IE, the most my Fusou can get to is fast plus, but Poi and Shimakaze can get to max speed.


    Even among DD there are difference in potential top speed. Shimakaze only needs a pair of turbine to reach max speed, but Poi needs 3.
    It seems to be possible to reach max with a slow BB. The key appears to be 1 turbine only, with however many boilers. Then again, I have not yet logged on to try that with Fuso so this combi might not be right. Historically Fuso is slower than Yamato class.



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    @DLRevan I did that with my yamato as well. 1 turbine, 2 +13 boiler, and 1 +10 boiler grants her max speed. That Fusou in the screenshot has 1 turbine, 2 +13 boiler and 2 +10 boiler though, and it's still at high speed plus, so I assume that's the most she can get, unless there is a difference between +10 and +13 boiler as well.



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    In other news, new voices are now translated: http://en.kancollewiki.net/wiki/Seasonal/Winter_2017

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    Sub cheesing 5-4 now becomes a much more reliable way after clearing the gauge.


    Oh, sorry for this. The guy just says it's not a full sub fleet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by goesto11 View Post
    Devs are really going with the expansion slot theme lately. Got some saved up, but more and more incentive to perhaps buy extra. Wonder what else will be allowed going forward. Other than that, a new Kai ni would be nice. Maybe next update, please?

    @Leyana:

    So theoretically, you could make Yamato-class a "fast BB" and thus allowed in escort fleet for combined fleet? Even if so, I suspect that you'll have to sacrifice too many slots to engines to do that. Am curious about this new mechanic in general since barely had enough fast CVL last event as it was.
    No,it just changes their speed not their ship classification so this shouldn't work. The game does distinct between FBB and regular BB (this is most apparent if you sort them by ship class) so just making them 'fast' won't change that.

    Of course this might let people sneak Junyou up to fast speed without losing anything but her smallest plane spot so you're not stuck with just RJ and Chitose class for "fast only" fleets that need a CVL.
    However I wonder if the difference in her plane slots while losing the ranked plane bonus for the 4 slot would still keep her up over second-rung fast CVL like Shouhou-class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 211303 View Post
    @DLRevan I did that with my yamato as well. 1 turbine, 2 +13 boiler, and 1 +10 boiler grants her max speed. That Fusou in the screenshot has 1 turbine, 2 +13 boiler and 2 +10 boiler though, and it's still at high speed plus, so I assume that's the most she can get, unless there is a difference between +10 and +13 boiler as well.
    You CAN upgrade them too, so perhaps with a few + on them that Fusou can hit cap too.
    upgrade effect might be pretty important, since Shimakaze can hit cap with two, would a +10 one of the highest quality be able to do it alone? That would be something important to find out.

    If Shimakaze CAN hit speed cap with a single equipment in her expansion slot when it's upgraded.. she goes up in value in the case hitting max speed becomes an important feature. Even just with two (one in expansion one in 3rd) she can still torpedo cut in quite effectively with her base stats.. so if speed really DOES end up mattering Shimakaze might actually end up being high-tier DD again.


    Or maybe this is part of their pre-plan for Shimakaze K2, very minor stat increase but her base speed goes up to fast+


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    @KotoNano

    As of now, we know that a +13 boiler gives a higher speed bonus than a +10 boiler. (ie Shoukaku k2a with +6 turbine and +10 boiler is at high speed plus, but at max speed with +6 turbine and +13 boiler). It will be interesting to know if upgrade affects the speed bonus as well. Though, if this is the case, I really hope Tanaka doesn't take max speed fleet for granted and make it a central theme for an event. Boiler upgrade is really costly, and the only sources of +13 boiler is either from Akashi upgrade or Amatsukaze kai.


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    @211303 I think max speed won't be that important, but fast+ will be for the event. I feel it may be one of the two gimmicks this event they go with.
    And yeah they can't expect people to rush the Ama-boiler since other than being a rare event-only drop.. her introductory event was nearly 3 years ago so most active players (those who joined after the anime for example) wouldn't have been around for it to get the "free" bonus one from the event either.

    bit salty I scrapped two dupes of her now thinking the boiler as nice-but-useless though. I could of had four of the things instead of two. And I scrapped a few +10 boilers a few months back too.. oh well.

    So is the +6 turbine and +13 boiler more effective for speed generation than two +13 or a +13 and +10 boiler? They have the same icon (unlike ASW) so that makes it a bit awkward for non-natives to spot the difference.



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    @KotoNano It works this way:

    To boost speed, you need to have both a turbine and a boiler (like you need both sonar and depth charge for the damage bonus). The only turbine in game is the +6 one, while both the +10 and +13 ones are boilers. Could only differentiate boilers and turbine by looking at their names (タービン=turbine, 缶=boiler). People are still testing them on different ships, and are coming up with equations on the exact speed boost. Just need to wait a few days.


    Last edited by 211303; 01-10-2017 at 02:56 PM.
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