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    Ship Discussion: IJN Kaga



    And here's Kaga's preliminary stats:
    Survivability: 51000 hitpoints. TDS: 22%

    Maneuverability: Speed 28 knots, rudder shifr 13.17sec, turn radius 1080m.

    Concealment: Surface detection 12.6km and air detection 13.62km.

    Flight control: 0/2/4 with 21 torpedo Planes and 64 Dive bombers. Torpedo bombers have 4 planes per squadron and DB have 6 planes per squadron.

    Alternative Flight control: 3/5/0 with 43 fighters and 42 torpedo planes. Fighters have 4 planes per squadron torpedo bombers have 2 planes per squadron.

    Planes: Mitsubishi A6M2 as fighters. Nakajima B5N2 as torpedo bombers. Aichi D3A1 as bombers. All tier 6 standard.

    Secondaries: 4.5 km range. ten 200mm casemate loading AP with a damage of 4900 and a reload of 15s. 4*2 12.7cm loading HE with 2100 alpha, 8% fire chance and 5 secs of reload.

    AA: The 12.7 cm have a DPS of 81 at 5km and the (14*twin mounts) 25 mm have a DPS of 70 at 3.1km.
    Five 2-plane torpedo bomber squads ?? Oh god, there's no dodging that one.



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    @Keyan_TTK Nah if plane survivability is still the same as back when i played, they are going to drop like flies. :/ Those Tier 6 planes will get eaten alive when you get up tiered.

    The only good thing about the second flight module would be DD hunting i guess. Having that many squads can make a DDs live hell. :P


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    They won't fare well against Clevelands, Gneisenaus and the like indeed. T6 planes in a T7+ match are target practice for anything with good AA.
    That said, there's a rumour the 3/5/0 loadout will come with a buff to planes, giving them more HP and speed, on par with T7 IJN planes.



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    @Keyan_TTK Ah yeah now that you mention it, the lower plane speed would also hurt a lot. But if they really get a slight buff, those 2 plane squads might actually work. You can probably do some mean stuff to low AA or lone targets if your micro is good enough.

    Too bad the UI is still shitty and unresponsive, so handling that many plane squads is a pain in the ass.




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    Cleveland, Atlanta, AA Gneisenau will devour those planes.

    Tier VIII ships will be a problem. Tier IX is right out. Except maybe against DDs.

    Then again, the long range AA only fires a cycle in a given amount of time. So these massive air groups can overwhelm that. There's a number of ships with high AA ratings, but some are propped up by long range AA. It's going to be up to effective short and medium range AA to make Kaga pay for those attacks. This is, IMO where Defensive Fire and/or USN ships that tend to be really good in short and medium range AA. Colorado may no longer have the highest possible Tier VII BB AA ratings but she has very good short / medium range AA DPS and should make Kaga pay dearly for attacks on her.

    Kaga players will have to work really hard when facing VIII-IX threats but if she's top tier, STAND BY! The thought of Kaga going after those Tier V-VII BBs not named Gneisenau, Colorado is comedic. DDs are not going to like those cross drops. RN CLs in their piddly little smoke patterns will feel it also. She looks to be a CV that has to overwhelm the target's air defenses. That's how IJN CVs used to be at launch, i.e. stuff like 0/3/3 Strike Hiryu. I foresee a lot of whining by DD and BB players that are sailing without AA escorts.

    The specs look enticing though. Old School "We don't need no steenkin' fighters!" IJN Strike and one with a massive air wing of fighters AND torp bombers. I'll be sure to snag her up.

    Alabama, Hood, Kaga... OH MY!


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    In a match where she's top tier, 3/5/0 Kaga is matchless unless there's a Sharnhorst/Atlanta/Cleveland in the mix. Something unique to the 3/5/0 loadout and that loadout alone, is that her torpedo bombers are a Skilled variety; the 105th flight wing, I think. While the damage is unchanged, these bombers have speed and HP on par with the T7s, and a noticeably reduced dispersion similar to Saipan with a TB shot down. This makes her an absolute nightmare for BBs and DDs, as she can stack a full 10 torp hit while only needing to aim to hit two. Meanwhile, a death dome crossfire from 5 squads will even make Gremy shit itself trying to dodge.

    As said, she'll have a major problem with up-tiers. But other than that, her 3/5/0 loadout is just flat out superior to "Sky Cancer" Hiryuu 2/2/2.

    The other two Kaga options aren't even worth mentioning; they're worthless.

    0/2/4 has the normal 4 TB/Squad, and also has 6 DB/Squad. Problem here is that they're all the weak T6 version, and it doesn't matter how many yu have; IJN DBs are complete ass.

    4/2/0 is basically 2/0/1 Bogue taken even further. 4 Fighters/Squad as expected, but again only 2 TB/Squad in this loadout. What's more, standard TBs, not the Skilled variant.

    3/5/0 or not at all (And hey, major benefit from Dogfight Expert, here).


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    Whatever her config ends up being, I am excited to see just how Kaga and Saipan works out.

    "I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!". Who will end up being who? Hehe...


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    @DLRevan Seems like Kaga will have a higher skill floor at least. A lot more micro, but on the other hands more options as well. The 3/5/0 build will be a bit of PITA to fight against as a surface ship since you'll have refocus your AA pretty often and attacks will be far less susceptible to panic.

    I think Saipan will probably have better pub stats, but in the hands of an experienced CV players Kaga might end up being the more capable CV.





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    @Mobius Funnily enough I was just watching some Flamu's recordings of his NA server account. And one thing he commented several times were that NA CV players are terrible, leading main tree USN Strike CVs to outperform IJN CVs. Since, while USN CVs have a low skill ceiling, they also have a low floor.

    Will be interesting to see how performance differs across server, whatever form Kaga takes. A problem I have with Saipan is that she's essentially a low skill floor IJN CV, leading her to easily outperform both Ranger and Hiryuu everywhere.


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    @DLRevan It will be interesting indeed. Saipan with those Tier IX fighters is nasty but has poor aircraft reserves. Kaga has a massive reserve but weaker planes and a large squadron count.

    "Two may enter! One may leave!"

    I feel bad for Ranger though. Well, not really, but I'm glad I no longer play Ranger.

    What they're doing with Saipan and now Kaga is interesting as they break the mold of what the tech tree USN & IJN CVs are. Curious to see others like Soryu, Akagi, Enterprise, etc. would be like. Or how they would work on RN Armored CVs with their smaller hangar capacities, etc.

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    @Mobius Newbies are going to have trouble with Kaga when bottom tier but I think the savvy IJN CV players will take her just fine and be a nightmare. I can already picture the "Kaga is OP" whine threads already. There are already hordes of players that hate CVs and when they see Kaga coming "Tora! Tora! Tora!" for their ass, they are going to be quite upset

    Since she's a premium, I can imagine those veteran IJN CV players taking their 19pt skippers from Hiryu on up and throwing it on her, just like USN ones do for Saipan.

    *shudder*



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