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    @211303: Appreciate the analysis. Questions if you (or anyone else) have a moment to answer:

    (1) Have 3x Proto Catapults so I would think that's enough to spare one for Gotland Andra. Not seeing any downside to Andra vs. Kai other than cost, but want to make sure I'm not missing anything before remodeling. Also, can you confirm (A) Gotland Andra can NOT equip SPF and (B) Andra CAN still equip large searchlight.

    (2) *sigh* So.... only way you get improvement on Tenzan Tomongaga is upgrade quest F19. In other words it's exactly another Reppuu 601 debacle. "Thanks" Tanaka. It's especially "nice" so soon after I've wasted time/screws on that pair of 8" Mk9 Mod 2 at +9. Anyway, got 2x T97 Tomonaga lying around, but low on screws (that 3rd 41cm Triple K2 wasn't cheap & like to max out my new T21 Kai RADAR for Maya K2). Accordingly, will take your advice and wait on Kaga K2. Still, thinking at some point a second Tenzan Tomonaga won't hurt to go with 2x Tenzan Murata. How many would you suggest in total? Got plenty of skilled pilots so not an issue on that.

    (3) Any thoughts regarding 35.6cm Twin K2. Will hold off on improving any 35.6cm Kai (betting will later be able to improve K2 versions and dubious if worth it for kai version). Thinking choosing a second as quest reward for mix/match load out on Kongou K2C and Hiei K2C (FYI - usually go with one Proto 35.6m Triple + other (e.g. 16"/50 Mk7+GFCS)).

    (4) Thoughts on these new Swordfish Seaplanes. Got a MkIII Kai already which looks pretty good so thinking of picking up a 2nd via B145 (though that requires Gotland Andra). Will have plenty (5 or 6) S9 Osprey if I do Gotland Andra. Am I missing something about the S9? Maybe just me, but Devs seem to be pushing those a bit. Am I missing something here? They are OK, but not that great IMO even with some fit bonuses.

    Thanks.

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    @Danielosama: No worries from my end. I share your frustration and irritation on this matter, and IMO it's warranted. Yes, I am being penalized for doing the quest long ago - just the same as with the Repuu 601. As 211303 points outs Reppuu 601 issue still remains, and this seem to be exactly the same thing, but made worse because you can't excuse it as an "oversight" the second time around. It's software - not like with some effort devs could not produce a solution to give players who already did quests prior to improvement exploit an opportunity to also have one max (+10) version for themselves.

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    @ofi123: "Just saw the rewards for the new quests. Yeah, the swordfish seaplane conversion quest previously is a bait given the decision here."

    *sigh* Yes, looks that way doesn't it. :/ Well, MkIII Kai versions are pretty good, if I'm not mistaken, so not entirely useless to have more than one 1 per my comment above.


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    (2) I'll turn all my 3 t97 tomonaga into tenzan since my 3-4 fleet uses 13 TB and I have lots of materials (I won't rush them, though).
    T42 radar MAX is better for AA (I made one and I'm not using my T21 kai MAX anymore).
    I don't really care about tenzan tomonaga's improvement, but I don't understand why they probably won't fix it just like reppu601 (the easiest way is to make them improvable).

    (4) It seems MkIII Kai's improvement needs one S9 past +6 and S9 can be upgraded into MkIII Kai (I don't see any other use for them).


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    Just learned that the k2c Kongous get bonus torp stat with new large bulge lol. And waifu boiler gets them some additional FP, torp and evasion, so I guess fast+ with them can be useful. And I finally have an excuse for my 10* waifu boiler and letting me plan to upgrade more

    Also, that +17 bonus torp stat for Hiei k2c with both large searchlight and twin 53cm. Guess them using TCI isn't too far fetched lol, given there was event precedent of using them as searchlight magnet.



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    Source:
    https://twitter.com/CC_jabberwock/st...94611534475264
    https://twitter.com/kamina_h/status/1253960841969295361

    So a couple known things about Kongou/Hiei's special attack:

    Base modifier is x1.9 (pre cap).

    On top of that,
    if it is green T, additional x1.25
    if it is red T, additional x0.75

    Unlike other attack, it will trigger in a 6-ship fleet with one sub and a 5-ship fleet.

    @goesto11

    (1) She cannot equip SPF. She can equip large searchlight.

    (2) In an event I don't think you will really need more than 5 good TB in most situation. More could be used here and there but it is starting to enter the territory of diminishing return. This is also subject to Kaga's introduction and how jet turns out in this game. Both could change the optimal setup of CV and thus the number of TB needed.

    (3) It's rather trash, but the other option is trash too so might as well get one.

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    @ofi123 On them I would probably suggest MCI instead. Large gun provides more nb power per slot, and you keep artillery spotting which is a natural advantage of using FBB in escort. With the right equipment they should cap with MCI anyway.


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    I just noticed lookout can appear in radar cut in lol. Saw radar so often didn't know that can happen.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ofi123 View Post
    I just noticed lookout can appear in radar cut in lol. Saw radar so often didn't know that can happen.
    Torp+lookou+surface radar is a DD only cutin. It's just 1.2*1, so rather trash.

    That's why when you are using tci with radar for routing, do not put lookout in re.

    For more detail, see night battle page in wiki.


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    @211303

    Was running sparklecolle in 1-1 so it didn't matter much. But yeah, guess that would affect radar and LoS requirement for DDs with lookout, but triple/quad torp + lookout setup is still possible.



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    @Ink20: Thanks & good point regarding T42 RADAR. Reason I was focusing on T21 Kai was I got a +5 one now, and eh, not that far/expensive to get to +10. But yeah, T42 is a little better though I have to determine whether it's worth the extra screws. Maybe just stick with FUMO25 as I've done for now. Might be better to save screws for Tenzan Tomonaga.

    As for those, I'll do the two T97 I have (eventually), but even that will be tough given my screw count. :/ Not sure about cost right now (wasn't up on KC Wikia last I checked), but doubt it's that cheap. Always something to upgrade it seems. :/ Thing about max improved Tenzan Tomonaga is it's arguably the best TB in the game and a named TB (so much less shoot down). That's a big deal IMO though cool if you arrive at a different conclusion and/or don't care.

    And yes, WHY this is happening again does make one wonder. Issue with just making all Reppuu 601 or Tenzan Tomonaga improveable is power creep. My solution would be to have accounts scanned for 2 things: (A) did you complete the the related Reppuu/Tomonaga upgrade quests, and (B) do you have an improved version of the upgrade plane in stock. IF answer to A is "yes" and B is "no", then you get a one time quests. Have x amount of screws/fodder/etc in inventory (to simulate expense if you improved to +10 prior to plane upgrade), then place an Reppuu 601 or Tenzan Tomonaga in 1st slot of some CV as secretary, then *poof* you have one +10 version. That seems the fairest way to correct the issue without unleashing swarms of maxed out Tenzan Tomonaga/Reppuu 601. Certainly could be done.

    Lastly, hmm... not sure if worth it to upgrade one Swordfish MkIII Kai. Maybe not the best, but those are pretty good SPF (Zuiun M12 gathering dust these days). OTOH, moar screws. :/ As for S9 don't see those being worth improving or upgrading if I have 2x MK III Kai already. Will check on fodder use though. Didn't consider that.

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    @211303: Thanks for the info. I guess I'll go ahead and remodel Gotland to Andra as I'm not seeing any real downside vs. Kai apart from cost which I think I can afford. It's not a huge upgrade, but does seem to net out positive.

    Well, define "good" TB. :/ Issue is one you mentioned previously. Ryuusei Kai (CarDiv 1/Skilled) is definitely a good TB (particularly on Akagi & Kaga) given stats. Problem is that it's not "named" and thus have fun re-ranking if shot down. >_< Same goes for some "good" DB.

    OT - I there a list of "named" planes for shoot down? Obviously the ones with names, but I think there's a couple other special variants that are considered "named", but I can't find an updated list on KC Wikia. Thanks.

    Fair point on the 35.6 K2, it's not great, but... I do like to have one "high fit" accuracy bonus gun on my BB and the +4FP bonus (also +2 torp) makes them quite a bit better than Proto 35.6cm triple IF (key) you can improve K2 versions later. IDK. Maybe I'm overly concerned with accuracy given 99 level ships (and a few waifu BB). Potential cost still a factor as well. Meh. Anyway, while a bit low on gunmats, might as well get a second 35.6cm K2 as you say.

    If you don't mind, perhaps you could post your conclusion/analysis of Hiei/Kongou special attack once the testing is sufficiently done.

    Also wouldn't mind your thoughts on this. Minor issue, but undecided nonetheless. Just got a +5 T21 Kai RADAR. Normally, I use FUMO25 on Maya K2 for AACI, but max T21 Kai would be a little better. OTOH, max T42 is little better than max T21 Kai. I'd go for T42, but issue is cost/benefit. I need to be more judicious with my improvement choices these days as my screw stockpile has pretty much vanished. >_< So what would you suggest here? T21 Max, T42 Max (starting from scratch) or stick with FUMO25 for now.

    Thanks


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    T21 kai is cheaper only if you don't use the slide since it costs 4/8 screws past +6 (T42 costs 4/5 screws past +6) and T97 Tomonaga's cost is similar to F6F3 (you can check it at https://akashi-list.me/).
    Your solution would be good but I don't see them doing something like that, just like I don't see them giving stock equipment to some reversible k2 only the first time you remodel it (A<->B is easier than A->B->A1<->B1 where A1 and B1 are A and B without stock equipment).
    I don't think making Tenzan Tomonaga/Reppu601 improvable would be that much of a power creep since one is a slightly better Tenzan Murata that requires some time/resources to make and the other can't be mass produced (also, if my game had this kind of issue I'd fix it whitout caring about power creep).
    And yes, I also think Tenzan Tomonaga MAX is a big deal but I can live without it (the thing that bothers me the most in this update is Gotland being unable to carry SPF even though she should be the most suited CL for that, followed by the Italians).
    About the Swordfish MkIII Kai, improving it will increase only bombing and los so it doesn't seem really worth it, at least not until it can be upgraded into its skilled version (I have the feeling it will never happen).


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    In terms of good TB I am honestly only considering Tenzan tomonaga and murata. Ryuusei Kai (CarDiv 1/Skilled) just doesn't have the AA resistance for event. Good DB will be on the same vain, plus those that give CV long range. For a list of plane with AA resistance, see this page: https://en.kancollewiki.net/Anti-Air...own_Resistance


    For radar, I haven't really used my max T21 kai for a long time. Yes, it does give better AA, but I prefer the additional firepower on FuMo when I am using it on Maya.


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