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    Help about 6-4

    I really need to help on this map, i do get rip to shreard on this map, I doing Akitsumaru + BBV+ CV+ 1CL + 2DD formation. I able to get the best route from that side . CL,DD is all equip with tank/assault ship or WG 42 to deal with the boss,
    So far i not even get a single S not mention ..... clear it to reach 4-5 . I already got LBAS running too

    What kind of comp did you use to clear this map ? i really need to pass it to reach 6-5 to do Suzuya CVL quest, and i already spend resource / bucket like a last dance E4-5 hard already


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    @honglong17 there are 2 major comps, a full fast fleet, or a akitsumaru+slow fleet. Both are viable choice, and the choice of ships and setup depends on what anti-installation equipment do you have.

    Here is two sample comp for these two options. Noted that if you CL/DD are using a setup that piles up installation equipment, and give up DA, use as many kind of installation equipment on the same ship as possible, as that gives a huge post cap bonus against depot hime.

    Fast fleet:
    Ooyodo: gun/gun/wg/wg or abkm: wg/tank/marine+daihaitsu
    pasta bb: gun/gun/fighter/apshell shell
    duckie: 10cm hafd/10cm hafd/WG or radar
    daihaitsu DD: wg/kami tank/marine+daihaitsu
    daihaitsu DD: wg/kami tank/marine+daihaitsu
    CAV: gun/gun/wg/wg ( if you have a hole punched suzuya k2, use 20.3+wg+wg+T3+8cm instead)

    Akitsushima fleet:
    ooyodo: gun/gun/night scout/wg
    nagato k2: gun/gun/scout/tank
    daihaitsu DD: wg/kami tank/marine+daihaitsu
    daihaitsu DD: wg/kami tank/marine+daihaitsu
    CAV: gun/gun/scout/wg ( if you have a hole punched suzuya k2, use 20.3+wg+scout+wg+8cm instead)
    akitsushima: fighter/fighter/fighter


    LBAS: 4 bombers. send everything to boss.


    Last edited by 211303; 06-07-2017 at 05:04 PM.
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    @211303 hmmmmm complete disregard any kind of gun on DD. i never knew about this comp. I though isn't that you need 2 gun on DD to make them can do DA on night battle and anti-installation equipment is just a item require for them to deal dmg like 2 gun +sanshiki for CA . I will give both of them a try, since i got enough WG42, tank and marine to outfit my girl

    And all 4 LBAS bomber.. , aren;t you afraid of they will be Denial ? i mean, i use 1 escort fighter + 1 hybrid bomber/fighter (from last event) + 2 LBAS, i only reach the boss like 3 time and 2 out of 3 bomber already get to zero and lost all chevon


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    @honglong17 Basically, piling up different installation gives a huge post-cap bonus against depot hime, as shown by this rather extreme example:  

    Noted that this is only true against depot hime.

    This comp also has a slight edge against all installation in day battle comparing to the da comp. It is not as effective as the 2gun+tank comp due to lack of DA, but this comp will still penetrate the boss easily. Moreover, due to the very high pre-cap firepower, it will still reach cap at night even when they are chuha.

    As for lbas bomber, don't worry about denial, as it will not kill all your bombers. Chevron on lbas bomber is not important either, as it only provides extra AA, but not damage. You could get AP with fighter, but you lose 2 airstrikes for each fighter you use, which to me is not really worth it in this scenario.


    Last edited by 211303; 06-07-2017 at 05:28 PM.
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    @211303 thank for the tip



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    @honglong17: To add to what 211303 wrote, a lot depends upon equipment here, specifically improving ka-mi tanks and "tankhatsu" (daihatsu + tank & landing force). Improvement benefits scale linearly for those (no break points), but getting them to say +5 or +6 let alone max definitely makes a difference vs. no improvement, especially when you pair up for synergy.

    The other thing is just having enough equipment. For example, I use the Akitsushima fleet, but "only" have 2x ka-mi tanks. So while I could use Nagato Kai ni, don't have a 3rd ka-mi tank. So I'll probably just stick with Yamato-class (with AP shell) unless the Toku Daihatsu + 11th Tank offers good bonuses (I have no idea on that outside of last event). Same goes for WG42. Not sure how many you have. If you don't have enough WG42 to go around, can go with WG42 + Type 3 shell on CAV. Type 3 won't help against pillboxes, but does offer bonuses for boss (1.75x precap) and SD Hime (usual 2.5x precap bonus). If you only have say 3 WG42, then can go with a high firepower CA (e.g. Zara Due or Choukai Kai ni) with 2x main + Recon (or Night Scout if not on another ship) + Type 3 shell in place of Ooyodo. IMO, WG42 priority on this map goes to DD & CAV first (and tank/tankhatsu on DD first). If you have plenty of WG42 (and/or tanks & tankhatsu) to go around, then no worries.

    Quote Originally Posted by 211303 View Post
    As for lbas bomber, don't worry about denial, as it will not kill all your bombers. Chevron on lbas bomber is not important either, as it only provides extra AA, but not damage. [emphasis added] You could get AP with fighter, but you lose 2 airstrikes for each fighter you use, which to me is not really worth it in this scenario.
    Didn't know that LBAS plane rank has to do with adding air-power/fighter power rather than some damage/crit bonus like CV & Seaplane bombers. O.o That's illogical to me, but whatever I guess. Game is game. Is it safe to assume that LBAS fighters/interceptors (including Hayabusa) get same plane rank bonus as CV & seaplane fighters? FWIW, personally I like having a fighter escort (especially now with Hayabusa 64th) rather than all LBAS bombers.


    Thanks to Arkayda for the signature.


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    @211303 thank you, i able to get pass 6-4 now, move on to 6-5 for Suzuya Q, is there any formation that you think i should use ? the information about that map on wiki is quite confuse to me
    BTW, on 6-4 LBAS strike, even with 1 LB fighter still can get denial on boss,i do get that happen to me, all of my LBAS get wipe out to 0



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    @honglong17 People usually take the north route for this quest, where the comp should be 1bb+2 CV(L)+1CA+1CLT+1DD. Now, 6-5 is a very complex map due to lbas and the many preboss nodes. There is no such thing as "the best" comp for this map. There are 2 key elements to this map:

    1. Adjustment of lbas and fleet fighter power
    Do you send all lbas to boss or some to node C? Do you aim for AP or AD? More lbas/fighter at boss means lower fighter power requirement for fleet, but you lower the passing rate/lbas damage at boss. Need to find the right balance according to your own situation.

    2. Balance of fleet AA and firepower
    Due to the large number of Wo and airstrikes, fleet aa is very important for increasing the passing rate in this map. Fleet AA can be strengthened by having more AA weapon in your fleet (Poi>duckie, holepunching for machine gun, duckie gun on CLT, etc), but of cos this will reduce your firepower. Again, it is your job to find the right balance.

    Here's the fleet I used to clear 6-5 last month for your reference. Make adjustment according to your own situation. This is not for suzuya quest, but all you have to do is to make suzuya a fighter mule in place of one of the CV, and put her at flagship. I will not recommend putting bombers on her in this map due to her very low number of planes per slot.

    Yamato: 51cm/51cm/T1 ap/shiun/(ponpon gun)
    Shoukaku k2a: tenzan murata/iwamoto T53 max/Reppu 601/Reppu 601/(3.7cm flak m42)
    Zuikaku k2a:Jet keiun/Reppu kai/T52 skilled max/Saiun (east caroline)/(3.7cm flak m42)
    Akizuki: 10cm hafd +9/10cm hafd +9/T13 radar +9/(bofors)
    Maya k2: 90mm max/90mm max/Fumo/night scout/(25mm conc +4)
    Ooi k2: 20.3 (2) +6/15.2cm kai +9/midget sub/(bofors)

    Base 1:
    Hayabusa (54 squadron)
    Haybusa (64 squadron)
    T1 bomber mod 34
    T1 bomber mod 34

    Base 2:
    Hayabusa III a
    T1 bomber 22a
    Ginga
    T1 bomber (nonaka squadron)

    All lbas was sent to boss. Got AP for the first 2 waves, and either AP/AD for the next 2 waves.

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    @goesto11 yes. fighter/interceptor gets fighter power from rank, like the carrier based fighters.


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    @211303 did you think i should use BBV instead of heavy-hitter BB ? due to the Q i have to use CVL Suzuya



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    @honglong17 if you want to bring BBV for seaplane fighter, don't bother. They will get wiped out rather easily after all the aerial battles pre boss. If you have problem getting enough fighter power, you can consider switching Maya to a CAV with seaplane fighter. The reason I choose hotel here is that she can disable wo kai and CV hime rather easily in day battle.


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